Talk:Mordor

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One does not simply DRIFT into Mordor! (PowerGamer6 03:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC))

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[edit] One does not simply edit Mordor

Considering the acceptance of that line in popular and memetic culture, does it warrent some attention at all? Maybe under Mordor in popular culture?

[edit] This Is Nonsence!

If this is true then we're all doomed, but it could never be! Awwww. This is nonsence. It must be deleated!

[edit] First Age

I have recently re-read The Peoples of Middle-earth, and found no evidence that Mordor existed in the First Age — near as I can tell it was formed during the War of Wrath by the immense destructive forces caused by the attack of the Valar on the Morgoth (Melkor dilluted all through Arda). I therefore removed notes that Mordor existed during the First Age. [[User:Anárion|Image:Anarion.png]] 08:31, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I disagree with whoever said that mordor didn't exist in the first age because mordor is in the south of middle-earth and ang band was past beleriand in the furthest north so the valar cuoldn't have caused a cataclysym but possibly fenced it in(i.e. Montains of terror,shadow. This unsigned comment added by User:198.163.53.11 on 12 June 2006, and moved here by Carcharoth 21:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Content moved from Brambles of Mordor

The following content has been moved here from "Brambles of Mordor" (now a redirect).

"In J.R.R. Tolkien's popular novel The Lord of the Rings, the Brambles of Mordor are large, ash-covered, fictional plants that grow in the black land of Mordor. The brambles are particularly noted for growing in the region of Gorgoroth, where nothing was said to grow other than the twisted, black trees. In the Red Book of Westmarch, the brambles are described as "...harsh, twisted, bitter, struggling for life..." and that "...everywhere great writhing, tangled brambles sprawled...". It is claimed that nowhere else on Middle-earth did brambles grow so big and black. The brambles had foot long thorns, as sharp as the blade of a sword."

Please add relevant bits to the main article here at Mordor. Thanks. Carcharoth 12:59, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The following is a more detailed explanation for my removal of the content at Brambles of Mordor and making it into a redirect:
  • The above text from 'Brambles of Mordor' is based entirely on the entry from David Day's Bestiary. Unfortunately, this is often an inaccurate guide to Middle-earth and should be treated with caution. In this case, the above text (and Day's entry) embellishes, speculates and incorrectly describes the brambles. It appears to be based on the following from The Lord of the Rings:
"Mordor was a dying land, but it was not yet dead. And here things still grew, harsh, twisted, bitter, struggling for life. In the glens of the Morgai on the other side of the valley low scrubby trees lurked and clung, coarse grey grass-tussocks fought with the stones, and withered mosses crawled on them; and everywhere great writhing, tangled brambles sprawled. Some had long stabbing thorns, some hooked barbs that rent like knives."
Unfortunately, the above text and Day's entry embellishes this by adding the following without any justification that I can find: "ash-covered", the "nowhere else" claim, the thorns being "foot long". Also, the mention of the trees is misleading, as these are different things to the brambles. And the "nothing was said to grow other than [the] tress" claim is patently false, as the above quote describes grass, mosses and the brambles themselves. Also, it is the trees, not the brambles, that are described as "harsh, twisted, bitter". Finally, the reference to the Red Book of Westmarch, while true, might lead the unwary reader to think that this is a book that is different to The Lord of the Rings, rather than a name used in the pseudotranslation device where Tolkien pretended to have translated the story in The Lord of the Rings from a copy of the Red Book.

Based on the above, there is almost nothing left to say about the brambles. But I will add what little there is to say into the Mordor article. The Brambles of Mordor article should, in my opinion, be left as a redirect. Carcharoth 22:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Well seeing that you have actually merged the text into the article, rather than last time where you simply placed it on the talk page, I will now agree. However, I'm a bit confused why it should be a redirect to mordor? Shouldn't it be directed to plants of middle earth or something? Thnaks, Spawn Man 01:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
That's a great idea! Except we don't have that article yet. The closest thing we have is Category:Middle-earth plants - would you like to write an overview article (or maybe a list instead) called Plants of Middle-earth summarising what is in those 13 articles, plus any other plants you can think of? That could turn out to be a really good article! Carcharoth 01:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay, leave it to me. I'll get around to it in a couple of days... I enjoy writing new articles.... Thanks, Spawn Man 02:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Disambiguation needed

There should be a disambiguation page to distinguish this from the computer game Mordor: The Depths of Dejenol. Shador5529 14:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Added the little "if you are looking for" blurb at the top to deal with this. Shador5529 22:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Slaves

Should there be a small section on the slaves in the more fertile south of mordor?Strike-through text —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dan crook54 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

I certainly think so, as its important storywise to the book where saurons armies get their food. ravage 17.10.2006

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mordor.png

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