Talk:Moped

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A request for mediation was filed... and it appears that the discussion is happening on the main mediation page. --CyclePat 18:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I see that this page includes a link to the word 'Kinetic' which is not a related link to the moped manufacturer intended.

  • Corrected this - now links to scooter company

"An additional Compulsory Basic Training certificate is also required to ride a moped on public roads, except for anyone who obtained their full car driving licence or motorcycle licence before 1 February 2001."

AIUI, this is not true. No reference atm but I will find one in due course, unless someone else beats me ofc! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.32.105 (talk) 19:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Popular brands

I removed the list of popular moped brands from the article, and instead created Category:Moped manufactuers which seems like a better place to drop a list of manufactuers. )]]

If you create any of these, make sure to add the category to your article so we've got a full list.

--Charleschuck 15:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Verifying definitions

While trying to verify some of the definitions of mopeds on the site, I moved/deleted the following:

  • I moved some of the definitions of cyclemotors from here to electric bicycle. The US DOT doesn't really define a cyclemotor, but does indeed define an electric bicycle in TEA-21, so that seemed like a better place for the definition.
  • I removed the definition of a moped for the state of Hawaii. Apparently, each county there has their own driver's licensing bureau, and I wasn't able to find any central definition of a moped. I'm still looking for a reference; if I find one, I'll restore the info.
  • I restored the link to horsepower, which someone had merely changed to simply power. I think horsepower is a better technical explaination of what some localities limit on mopeds.

I hope that'll clean things up nicely.

--Charleschuck 17:18, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Power-assisted bicycles

Recently, the following section was added under power-assisted bicycles:

Every juristiction may have it's own regulations governing the use of a "power-assited bicycle". For example, within the provinces of Quebec and British Colombia, the "power-assisted bicycle" category is often classified together with normal pedal bicycles, and does not require registration, plating and automobile insurance. (Provided they meet the restrictive conditions defined within the Canadian "Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations") However some juristiction have not changed their laws and still consider this vehicle as a "Motor Assisted Bicycle" or a MOPED (ie.: In Ontario, "power-assisted bicycles" require a Moped registration, plating and automobile insurance.)

I've removed it for two reasons:

  1. This section claims that power-assisted bicycles can be licensed as a moped in Ontario. The Ontario Ministry of Transportation seems to claim otherwise (see http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/index.html#power) They say "Power-assisted/electric bicycles may fall within the HTA definition of a 'motor assisted bicycle', but they do not meet safety standards (e.g., brakes, lights, etc.) for on-road use."
  2. I think in-depth analysis of the regulations regarding power-assisted bicycles/electric bicycles are probably better suited to the electric bicycle article.

I'm also thinking of moving the section on power-assisted bicycles under the section on local regulations; I think they're worth mentioning in the moped article, as there is some crossover and confusion in some jurisdictions, but as there's another, more specific article on the subject, which is where the bulk of the information should likely be.


Please se the discussion @ motorized bicycle. I have added a blurb on the subject of plating, registration, etc... Essentially, it is possible to register, plate, and insure a PAB as a MOPED. I even put some basic instructions on how to do so in the discussion. Sorry, I am not going to photocopy my green slip and put it on the wiki (that would be original research, right?) All you have to do is check with your local registration bureau in Ontario (as per the procedures I indicated on the motorized bicycles discusion page). It is a common know fact that everyone can register their car at the bureau. (This is a difficult thing to source/work cited). You will either have to have faith or do it yourself. (spending close to 1 and 1/2 years of research and over 600$.) On how do so... I will be happy to explain through email to anyone who wishes to do the same as I. Also, I might send you a copy of the check I received (tax refund), various blacked out sections of my registration (green slip), etc.. I also got back all my taxes (and more) on the vehicle because it met the definition of a hybrid (fuel efficient) vehicle. BUT, I guess none of this counts because it might be considered ORIGINAL research, right? (*sarcastically)--CyclePat 22:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I trust you on this one—you obviously have some history doing this. I removed it since the Ministry of Transport's info flat out contradicted what you said, and since I thought this was better suited to the electric bicycle article. I did, however, defer to your judgement in saying that Some jurisdictions, however, may categorize these [power assisted bicycles] as a type of moped, creating a certain amount of confusion.
So many local peculiarities... --Charleschuck 06:23, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] I also move to suggest this article (Moped) be merged with (motorized bicycles)

Since Moped is a sub-category of motorized bicycle... I suggest that this aricle be merged with motorized bicycle. Any critical comments?--CyclePat 22:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Please see my objection at Talk:Motorized_bicycle/Archive2#Second_merger_sugestion. --Charleschuck 06:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
There being no apparent support for the suggestion after one month, I'm removing the tag. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] (W) AfD? 13:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moped Insurance

Sugestion of incorperating: moped insurance section. see http://moped2.org/moped-insurance.htm --CyclePat 01:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What regions ?

It is mentioned that some regions require pedals.... what regions don't require pedals? I know Ontario requires pedals for being a moped otherwise you're a scooter. Can someone explain to me, eitherwise I migth do some hasty editing? --CyclePat 08:35, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Michigan, for example, doesn't require pedals. I believe Indiana is the same, although I haven't checked documentation at their DMV. Some moped aficionados affectionally (or derogatorily) refer to these pedal-less 50cc bikes as nopeds. Examples (off the top of my head) include the Yamaha QT 50, a few Honda models, and a lot of present-day Tomos mopeds which can be shipped with or without pedals. See the picture of the Russian moped, too, which fits the legal definition of a moped in Russia without having pedals. This page at moped2.org is a great reference for state-by-state moped laws in the US (with a few Canadian provincial laws, too) --Charleschuck 17:33, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. --CyclePat 04:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline

As you may know, a timeline was created for motorized bicycles. As the development of these is hard to separate form that of mopeds, and to a lesser extent motor scooters and possibly motorcycles, it has been proposed that the timeline be expanded in the first instance to cover mopeds under a new title, possibly "timeline of light motorcycle development" or some such.

Please join the debate at Talk:Timeline of Motorized bicycle history#Inclusion of Mopeds.


[edit] United States moped laws

A section was recently added which tried to cover US moped laws briefly, however, it had several inaccuracies. I've removed part of the section, placed below, with my comments indicated

In most states, the above regulations are very loosely enforced - in particular, the top speed is often overlooked; as a result, there are many vehicles capable of going 40 mph or more that are registered as mopeds. While police may issue a citation to a moped driver going over the legal top speed, this is very rare. However, a few states, such as California and New York (where mopeds are the most common), enforce these laws very strictly.
I removed this since I think people realize that they can skirt the law at their own peril. I think it generalizes the risk involved, while not citing any specific examples.
In all states, some kind of driver's license is required to operate a moped, though factors such as minimum age, minimum license class, and vehicle requirements such as title, insurance, and license plates vary widely.
Not all states require licenses [1].

Maybe some of this could be re-added after some fact-checking? --Charleschuck 15:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Error in article: Etymology

On 30 April 2006 the user "67.176.182.31" removed: "However, it is also likely that the term is merely an abbreviated combination of the two key elements of a moped—a motor and pedals." and left the "motorvelociped" origin. This is wrong. The word do come from the Swedish words "motor" and "pedal" (actually the same words as in English): mo(tor) + ped(al). The word was coined by the motor journalist Harald Nielsen for the Swedish magazine "Motor" in 1952. The Swedish linguist Catharina Grünbaum explains in Dagens Nyheter that the "motorvelociped origin" is wrong [2]. See also Merriam-Webster "Etymology: Swedish, from motor + pedal".

Kricke 20:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Versatile autocycle

Earlier today Moped was moved to Versatile autocycle. I don't really think that was an appropriate move. Never before have I heard of such a term being used (try googling for it -- nothing), but, while mopeds and autocycles are more or less the same thing, moped also applies to a specific legal term as well as the vehicle.

As such, I've reverted the edit. Please talk here if you think the article really should be moved, or split into various articles, etc. --Charleschuck 21:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moped safety

This section, if moped road-safety concerns resemble those of cyclists, is inaccurate. You are not safer keeping to the right under all circumstances or indiscriminately using cycle-lanes on a bicycle, so I think it's unlikely that it's true for a moped. See Vehicular Cycling for a discussion on the importance of road positioning.213.131.238.25Dermot

In fact, looking at the linked Moped Army article on safety (http://www.mopedarmy.com/resources/articles/survivalguide/), there is no mention of giving way at every junction or of using cycle facilities. This section should be re-written. I'm not a moped-user, so I'm not the person to do it.194.165.175.30Dermot

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[edit] moped search page has been vandalised

I noticed the article has been vadalised and currently 27-02-07 reads as below:

Mopeds owners are a class of generally sub-human monkey like colonies of cellular matter . Moped owner classification is designed to allow the use of small motorised brains, avoiding the safety restrictions and licensing charges required of larger primates. Some moped owners fit the definition of sentient- but rarely. In legal literature, moped owners are normally defined by limits on forehead displacement, ability to consume huge amount of crack cocaine , methane output, , or the requirement of off buttons. In some countries, the legal slaughter age for a moped owner is lower than for larger monkeys, and consequently moped owners are popular among the slaving nations. Typically, moped owners are restricted to methadone and cheeseburgers. Some localities require chains, thus making them a form of hybrid , using both human power and machine power. Because of their small size, many jurisdictions consider them "limited intelligence ."



Some moped owners have been designed with more than two brain cells, similar to a multi- cellular plant —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.143.210.114 (talk) 02:37, 27 February 2007 (UTC).