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Thanks!

Thanks for the heads up on my rabicano photo. It was fun to be able to contribute to a subject that is so dear to me! Coreada 10:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Fixing redirects

Thanks for fixing the redirect on the (now former) fleabitten gray article. My question is: What did I do wrong there? I tried to make it redirect but it wouldn't go...how can I do a proper job next time? There are two other stubs out there that need to be somehow incorporated into the main article...Thanks! Montanabw 20:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

The reason that redirect didn't work is it had a space (" ") before the "#". When there is a space at the beginning of a line on Wikipedia, the line gets put in that dotted box you may have seen and the redirect doesn't work. I see that you have been here a few months but no one has given you a welcome message with useful links, so I have put one below. If you have any questions about anything, I would be happy to help. —Centrx→talk • 20:49, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Reorganization project

I agree that Equestrianism needs some major work, but I honestly don't know where to start. I think a big part of the mess is in the western section, which, if it were broken into separate articles, would be more coherent. Unfortunately, I know very little about the Western disciplines, so I don’t feel qualified to write them. I don’t mind doing the reorganization--although no promises on when it will be finished :). If you have any possible ideas for a template for this article, I'd appreciate the help.

As for horse training and horse breaking, I don’t really feel like I know much about the different types of training methods, etc. and I’m wondering if there is a way to merge the horse breaking and horse training articles (after all, breaking is just early training). But I've never started a horse and have little first-hand knowledge in training green horses. Do you know anyone else with a better background?

However, I wrote the majority of the English saddle article and the hunt seat article, so any comments/critiques/ideas for improvement you have I’ll be happy to take care of. I know both those articles well, so it probably wouldn't take that long for me to change around as needed. Just let me know. Eventer

External links

Every article needs to be verifiable - to that end, use external links when appropriate. Non-commercial registries or databases are also suitable for inclusion, but only when used sparingly. What I believe is unsuitable are links which provide information which could be included in the article, but someone has been too lazy to do so. At the end of the day, its a judgement that someone has to make and policy can only take you so far. WP is not a link directory, and within that caveat, I say only add a link to an article if it improves the article. And forum links have absolutely no place. -- I@n 08:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Cream gene

Hey, thanks for your work on Cream gene! I just thought that I would let you know, that if you want to change the title of an article you can use the "move" tab. We can't just cut and paste the content from one article to another, becuase the history needs to stay attatched (se we know who the authors are). I have fixed up the Cream gene move, no harm done. Happy editing :-) --Commander Keane 04:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Photo edits

Hi! On American Quarter Horse I removed the "right" and fixed width commands because typing "thumb" automatically sizes the image and puts it on the right of the page.

For the arabian photo tag, I put it there not because all of the photos in the article need fixing, because it needs more photos, or anything like that, but because that page does need a good conformation photo. Currently that article only has paintings, a photo of a young horse, and several photos of adults that don't show the breed's conformation (the horses aren't necessarily bad examples of the breed, they just aren't photographed in a way that clearly shows the typical breed conformation). I would prefer to leave the tag up because it puts the article in Category:Wikipedia requested breed photographs. Perhaps it is difficult to find a photograph that represents the breed well, but one is needed. I am sorry if my message on the tag didn't clarify. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 12:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Lady Wentworth

I'm one step of ahead of you, chap :-). I started it a few hours ago and will finish it soon. Thanks, Craigy (talk) 23:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem, it's at Judith Blunt-Lytton, 16th Baroness Wentworth. Craigy (talk) 02:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm not a peerage "expert" lol, but: Lady Anne was Judith and Noel's unmarried elder daughter and Lady Winifred was their youngest daughter who married Claude Tyron. Lady Anne Blunt's (Judith's mother) title passed to Judith as most baronies from the sixteenth century and before were created to allow them to pass to female heirs if their were no male ones. This was the case with Judith who was the eldest child of Lady Anne and Wilfrid, who didn't have any sons. When Judith died, the title passed to her son, by now the Earl of Lytton, as he was their eldest child. I hope I've explained that correctly for you. Thanks Craigy (talk) 19:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Soring

Yeah, I figured that's what was happening. I wonder what they expect to accomplish by erasing the references? They just get put right back. I don't remember why I have Tennessee Walker on my watchlist, but I'm glad I could help! --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 04:59, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Gosh, I didn't see any request -- I don't often monitor RFPP. How often is this vandalism occurring? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 05:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

horse pictures

Well, if you're not a big fan of the commons, its gonna be hard to find stuff ;) I agree on that Western saddle picture, too, but there aren't many well-framed, clear pictures of western saddle out there. On the commons, my favorite place for horse pictures are:

Hope this helps!

What do you think of this picture for the western saddle: Image:Tinker Stute.JPG

Good work

You're doing a great job, have a nice drink.
You're doing a great job, have a nice drink.

I noticed you out working hard, and I thought I'd drop by with a nice glass of lemonade and say I'd seen you hard at work and that it is greatly appreciated. Keep up the great work you are doing, and if I can be of any help, please let me know. Essjay (Talk) 08:14, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The article Arabian horse is a nominee for Good Article status. I'd appreciate a look-see and any suggestions for improvements. I got some excellent suggestions by a reviewer for improvements, need to see if I hit what was needed. Will take a long time to get everything cited, but comments for the to do list always welcome. Any constructive suggestions on how to improve War horse also welcome--been a bit of a personality conflict over there. Created a sandbox titled Horses in Warfare to take it out back for awhile, but would like an outside, neutral look at the articles. They will eventually be merged. Montanabw 08:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
With regard to the conflict on War horse, I'd suggest perhaps Wikipedia:Third opinion or perhaps an informal mediation; I can't involve myself to far into the matter because of my role in dispute resolution, but that would be my starting advice. I took a glance over Arabian horse and it looks very good; I'll read it more in depth and let you know of anything I see, but I must admit, it's not really my area of expertise. :) Essjay (Talk) 08:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Citations

Hi,

I'll look over Arabian horse for terms that should be linked to Wiktionary and/or Wikipedia.

As for "who should I cite as the source?": If there is an original source, as for example if a famous book or person was the first to say x, then the original source is preferred. If a term is so common in a field that finding the original source is problematic, then you can do one of two things: if many people say this is from y, then you can follow the crowd and cite y. If (as is probably the case here) no one ever says what the source of this is, then just find it explained or mentioned in the most highly-regarded and authoritative source you can think of, and cite the page number etc. In that case, you wouldn't say that that source originated the term, you would just put a citation there. The reader should understand it as an authoritative source.

To shorten that whole paragraph :-) : just use common sense, and use the best source you can find. :-)

Later --Ling.Nut 13:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

PS -- regarding common knowledge, and leaving it uncited.. there's a bit of a gray area here; it's a bit of a judgment call at times. Sometimes just a wikilink is OK; sometimes not.
I strongly suggest that you focus on the many historical details that you left uncited. Those are clear-cut cases where cites are needed. As for common-knowledge stuff, maybe the WP:FA process can help you with that one (after more than a little work on other areas).

Later --Ling.Nut 17:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Responded to your question on my talk page. :-) --Ling.Nut 19:01, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

drop me a line..

Hi again,

Please drop me a line on my talk page whenever Arabian horse goes up for FA. I'm very interested in how that goes.

Cheers, --Ling.Nut 23:08, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi from a barefooter!

Hi! I'm from Italy - I work sometimes here too mainly about horses. I'm a barefoot movement member - I'm looking for some open-minded user of shod horses to discuss some NPOV issues about shoeing and barefoot horses movement. Horses and horsemanship are very difficult topics to cover with a honest NPOV - the only way is to work together in my opinion! Are you interested about?--Alex_brollo Talk|Contrib 14:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. Montanabw 20:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I think, Barefoot horse talk page is the best place to discuss this issue. I know the history of that article from its beginning... it's the very first "barefoot step" into wiki. In its first version, it has been written by Marjorie Smith, http://www.barefoothorse.com , after a suggestion from me! She wrote the article without any deep knowledge of wiki philosophy and tricks, and I tried sometimes to ameliorate it from a wiki point of view, but some more NPOV review is needed. And my English is rather poor...
Hironically, NO NPOV issues had been raised before that article, when ONLY the traditional point of view about horse shoes was mentioned into wiki just as a matter of fact...
See you into the talk page there!--Alex_brollo Talk|Contrib 08:50, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

GA backlog

There's no training. There's nothing to do except read WP:WIAGA and maybe skim thru some of the archives of WP:GA/R. You may wanna ask Homestarmy, RelHistBuff or LuciferMorgan to take a look at your comments etc. but that is definitely not mandatory.

If you try to use anything resembling a reasonable quality standard, then the task is far less than thankless. It makes you a target for harsh, vituperative abuse/insults from people who should have "Can't you see I'm brilliant?" tattooed on their foreheads. It is quite discouraging. But care about Wikipedia; not about their cr*p.

Thanks for helping. :-) --Ling.Nut 19:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

PS I asked Homestarmy to give you some input; he replied on my talk page. --Ling.Nut 20:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
PPS Sorry if I scared you away. :-) I have been under stress lately, and the yammerheads have definitely been getting under my skin. The yammerheads core dump their egos at WP:GA/R, not WP:GAC. If you wanna help with the backlog, then go ahead and review as many as you wish. If you don't pop in to WP:GA/R, you'll never see the yammerheads.
We could use all the help we can get. :-)
Thanks --Ling.Nut 16:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Wentworths/Byrons et al

Hello again. I've included a diagram if that helps. The red arrow shows the descent of the barony of Wentworth since 1745. Ada King-Milbanke (the 14th Baroness) was the granddaughter of Ada Lovelace and the neice of Lady Anne Blunt. As you rightly said, Lady Anne inherited the title in June 1917 but she died a few months later in December (which is why she isn't usually known as the 15th Baroness Wentworth as she only held the title for almost six months). As I said before, the barony was able to pass through the female line if there were no male heirs, which is why Judith (the 16th Baroness Wentworth), inherited the title that December. Craigy (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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Bay (horse)

Please use the move function, instead of copy-and-paste, when renaming a page. This avoids splitting the page history in several places. -- ReyBrujo 04:54, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry, I have already done so. When you want to move something, use the move tab, which moves the article and its history as well. If you copy the current text into a new article, you are creating a new article, and losing the history from the previous article. Luckily your cut/paste move was detected by our copyvio bot, and although a user thought it was a benign false positive, I noticed there was something amiss. Take care! -- ReyBrujo 18:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)