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[edit] Architecture section of Istanbul

The section follows a chronological order, i.e. according to the construction dates of the buildings and monuments. Starting from 4th century Roman architecture, continuing with early, mid and late Byzantine architecture, and ends with early, mid and late Ottoman architecture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.42.178.94 (talk) 08:01, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

When I read it, it didn't sound as if that was the case- and in fact several prominent places are left off completely- Sultanahmet, Yildiz, et cetera. What makes it worse is that it is copied virtually word for word from a website, which is not acceptable. By having a chronogical order, you don't get a feel for the city at all or where in fact these places are. In the Paris example, they do a great job of making it easy for everyone. It needs revising no matter what, that's for sure. Monsieurdl 14:40, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. Hope you'll be able to go on editing the article in peace. The whole trouble about trying to keep User:Flavius Belisarius out (i.e. the anon above and the Norkköping guy I reverted today and all the other socks) is of course just so as to give you other contributors free reign in working in peace, without all the edit-warring. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:59, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roberto Clemente

Thanks for reorganizing parts of the article. I feel that it flows much better now. Cheers!!! Baegis 20:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: "Trying to standardize ancient cities"

Hi Monsieurdl. I've replied to your comment on my talk page there. Regards, Paul August ☎ 17:56, 8 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Clapp page

Hey there, noticed you created a page (today) called "Clapp" and listed them. Usually, (as I'm absolutely sure you know) the names have a brief bio/reference point to help the user find what he/she is looking for. Do you want help with those, or were you planning on adding those yourself? Keeper | 76 22:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I have to go out for a bit, and I am very aware of what I need to do cause I did it yesterday for Larocque and Doucet. I was going to add all of those, but they take a while- I like adding the information. If you could help me, that would be great! It all started because I noticed Roger Clap (captain of the Mary and John of 1633) was not on Wikipedia. Thanks a lot! Monsieurdl 22:46, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, apparently I'm too bored for my own good. I added some brief bios this morning, feel free to edit them for formatting as you see fit. Sorry to impose; I also enjoy fleshing out disamb. pages. Cheers! :-) Keeper | 76 17:23, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a problem! I have put a tremendous amount of effort into my History of Anatolia editing that I didn't get around to finishing that page. Thanks! Monsieurdl 17:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for nice words

Thank you for your response for my contribution to Battle of Pliska. My main interest lies in physics and mathematics (especially in gravitation and cosmology) and I am more active in editing such articles on Wiki. As a sideline, I am interested in Balkan history of all periods, and plan in future to write a detailed article on Byzantine Bulgaria (1018-1185). Writing history articles, connected mainly with Bulgarian history is very exasperating for me because most of the time I find myself embroiled in heated debates that give little or no results. This is because Balkan countries have diametrally opposing views about almost any event in their history.

I read your article about Anatolia but I doubt I can be of use there as my interests are about European history including everything that is connected with Turkey (part of its territory is in Europe but, unfortunately, not Anatolia, which is in Asia). The only time I have been in Turkey was a one week conference in the town of Gebze (relatively close to Istanbul). I have very good impressions from the country and the people. Lantonov 11:00, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I completely understand where you are coming from- I have to deal with it occasionally as for the most part Greeks tend to be very militant with regards to their shared past with the Turks while the Turks have a distinct black and white view of history. It makes for very frustrating times, but at least right now I'm dealing with BC so there isn't much hassle as of now!
Hopefully when I do get to the Byzantine sections, you will be available for consultation! Monsieurdl 11:56, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I had to laugh reading your response Monsieur. You are a nice guy and you really don't deserve this. I could see past scars in that "for the most part" qualification! Take care and ignore the malakes phile!
Xenovatis (talk) 14:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Besiktas sub-section

Dear Monsierdl,

I am a user who try to contribute on various sport articles on Wikipedia. And I just wanted to extend the content of Historical Match Highlights section because BJK is a great club and there is not only historical match in its lifetime which is over a century. I want to keep it improve with historical victories in European Cups as well such as Barça, Chelsea, Dinamo Kyiv matches. And I think Trabzonspor clash was also one of them which deserve to be enrolled.

Please share me your opinion whether this match has to be there or nor, and why... And we just ensure a concenuss and make a collaboration to improve this article.

Thank you.

User:Umi1903 —Preceding comment was added at 11:02, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought it was a great addition. I have been working on the History of Anatolia for some time now, and I have not gotten too in-depth into finding more games. I would have to work hard to read and translate the articles from Turkish to English- that's what I really want; some of those big matches you are talking about. Thanks for your help! Monsieurdl 11:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there Monsierdi! It was just the way that the piece read was not natural to a native English speaker. I'm sorry if it trod on your toes but I do feel that it reads more naturally to the majority of those English speakers interested in football. It's a good piece and very interesting.Jatrius 15:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chora Church

Thank you for your kind message, I am glad to hear you are appreciative of some of the work I have been doing on that article. Yes it really is a pity, the article is just way too short, because there is so much to describe in that, in my opinion, one of the most astounding churches I have ever visited. Unfortunately I am no expert myself and don't have much time either. I have been doing some more work here Topkapı Palace or start new articles where nothing has even been written Milion, Haseki Hürrem Sultan Hamamı, Caferağa Medresseh, etc. Happy editing, sincerely. Gryffindor 20:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Byzantine Empire

Hey, about the Macedonians and Isaurians articles than have been created - I was thinking of dividing up the information into rulers rather than events. Like Have Basil I and then talk about Byzantium under his successor and so forth. Let me know what you think. Tourskin 19:07, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

do whatever you need to improve. lolTourskin 19:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Input needed

Your input would be appreciated at the TfD for Infobox Town TR—MJCdetroit 19:40, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] besiktas

It is like that game refereed by Cem Papila all over again. The team and the institution is quite an emotional one, I hope we will be able to survive this with less "casualties". I have my trust in Ertuğrul, but unfortunately not in Demirören. In our 104 year history, this kind of thing might have happened only twice, and both during Demiroren's leadership. DenizTC 01:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duchess Marie of Mecklenburg

I invite you to reconsider your Afd vote in light of the further information I have supplied and the changes I have made to the article. Noel S McFerran 21:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dailliez

Thanks for checking. It is of course your right to remove the tag, do what you think is best. Personally, I'm not sure that the article would pass AfD (since bibliography mentions are "trivial" mentions). Then again, it might! No worries though, if we want to AfD it later, we always can. At the moment, it's convenient for me to keep the article around, if nothing else because it's a point of reference for the "Dailliez is not necessarily a reliable source" dispute. --Elonka 18:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I wanted to make sure you knew that I was staying out of the other part of the disagreement, and I didn't feel it would be appropriate to remove the tag unless I asked you first. Glad to see this ended well- Thanks! Monsieurdl 14:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

"Yapma arkadaşım, lutfen. Şurada geldım, ve çalışyoruz... lutfen... Şimdi ingilizce. We are working very hard to make sure everything is correct and we don't want any edit wars or any large fights. Right now we are all looking at the article to see how we can best solve the problems. Thank you, my friend. Teşekkürler, arkadaşım. Monsieurdl 13:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)"
I don't know excatly what about you are talking?--Ilhanli 21:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

and "This user sends regards, signed... From Russia with Love." The flag is not Russia's flag but Soviet Union's. People, especially children, may think that Russia is a communist country or Russia and СССР are the same countries. Cheers.--Ilhanli 21:49, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] ArbCom questions

Hi. I'm Ral315, editor of the Wikipedia Signpost. We're interviewing all ArbCom candidates for an article next week, and your response is requested.

  1. What positions do you hold (adminship, arbitration, mediation, etc.)?
  2. Why are you running for the Arbitration Committee?
  3. Have you been involved in any arbitration cases? In what capacity?
  4. In the past year, are there any cases that you think the Arbitration Committee handled exceptionally well? Any you think they handled poorly?
  5. Why do you think users should vote for you?

Please respond on my talk page. We'll probably go to press late Monday or early Tuesday (UTC), but late responses will be added as they're submitted. Thanks, Ral315 » 04:47, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source question

Monsieurdl, have you ever run across the author Jean-Paul Roux? What is your opinion as to his reliability? --Elonka 17:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have heard of Joseph Roux, but not him. I would have to do some research and see what I could find with regards to his reliability. Unfortunately I am much better with Turkish and German than French! Monsieurdl (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, that's what I needed to know. I'll put him down as "Reliable source, minority opinion."  :) --Elonka 17:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom table with portfolio links

Hello! As we did for last year's election, we are again compiling a Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2007/Summary table. This table contains a column "Portfolio" for links that display candidates' pertinent skills. I will be going through each candidate's statements and gradually populate the column, but this may take some time. Please feel free to add some links in the form [link|c] if you feel it shows conflict resolution skills, or [link|o] otherwise. It would also be helpful if you can check if the information about you is correct.

My motivation is that as a voter, I don't want to just rely on a candidate's words, but also see their actions. Moreover, I believe a portfolio of "model cases" to remember in difficult situations can be useful for each candidate, as well. I believe that conflict resolution skills are most pertinent to the position, but if you want to highlight other skills, please feel free to use a new letter and add it to Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2007/Summary table#Columns of this table. — Sebastian 05:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

In your statement, you write "You have to be a diplomat." That's exactly what I mean! I'd love to see some links or diffs that show that you've actually done this. — Sebastian 08:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for adding the links! I would like to keep the column consistent, so I will move your "e(bef) e(aft)" to User:Monsieurdl/Anatolia, so I can link there with one letter. Of course, the page name is only a quick choice off the top of my head and you may want to adapt it. — Sebastian 20:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)    (I stopped watching this page as of 02:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC). If you would like to continue the talk, please do so here and let me know.)

[edit] about besiktas

Hey... I've seen that you are working on articles about history, but I need your help about Beşiktaş J.K. I am fenerbahce fan, but it doesnt matter, because in these days I have a desire for Fenerbahce, Galatasaray and Beşiktaş articles, all three to be FA or at least GA. I've checked some GA and FA pages of Clubs, and guess what, our articles are better. Currently Besiktaş is short in size compared to gs and fb, but there are tons of resources so we can improve it rapidly... What do you think? Is it plausible? --Alex20fb (talk) 02:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

That's very true... As if I could not tell you were a Fener fan! No matter- I'm sure it can be done, but I would need help to add more historical games. Monsieurdl (talk) 12:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] 2007 ArbCom Elections

Regarding this statement, are you withdrawing? - Mtmelendez (Talk) 11:36, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the blunt rationale on my vote. Things like ArbCom elections have seemed to me like an appropriate time to be blunt: if you're running for a position where you get beat on by trolls, agenda-pushers, and passionate editors for three years, a bit of criticism up front should be no problem, right?

There actually was more to my rationale, but of course there's a size limit on comments. If I could expand it out, it would be something like this: it would take a very compelling reason for me to support a non-admin for ArbCom (after all, ArbCom is a position that carries considerably more trust than adminship), and your statement didn't give me such a reason. The only thing it conveyed to me is that you wanted to be on ArbCom, and you wanted to convince voters that you would inherently be better at it than other people. I may have chosen the wrong two words ("meaningless platitudes") to express that idea. I hope you don't hold it against me for too long, as you seem to be a prolific and high-quality article editor.

Happy editing, rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 23:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I thank you for clarifying your comment- I just was hoping for more feedback and encouragement rather than short, blunt comments. Maybe I should have waited a few months, but then again I figured by showing my capabilities I would find some success. I wrote the statement to sum up how I felt about the importance of ArbCom, but I guess it was too short and sort of political sounding. Your comments were greatly appreciated- we all need encouragement to feel like what we are doing makes a difference. Monsieurdl 23:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kittens

Very sorry to hear of your troubles.. It's sad that the poor kitties have a disease, and also that your mother got scammed. My parents had a cat that ended up having the cat equivalent of AIDS. She was very friendly and we were sad to see her go. She would sit on my dad's shoulder and wait for him to finish eating his cereal, and drink the milk when he was done. Very cute. --Fang Aili talk 21:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How can I help you have a better day?

You seem unhappy. Is there something I can say to you that will change that? --- tqbf 14:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Just please remember that people have good intentions and things may get difficult, but we're all human and I myself always try to be constructive, even with those whom I really disagree with. It is tough, but possible! Monsieurdl 14:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Duly noted. Have a good weekend. --- tqbf 15:19, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you for your vote on my RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a vote of 41/0/1.

Please accept a slice of panettone as an expression of my gratitude. Feel free to help yourself to some chocolate zabaglione as well.

I am humbled by the trust placed in me to use the tools wisely.

Cheers, Rkitko (talk) 21:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Too much of that sort of thing went on three weeks ago when I was on the hot seat. It was very destructive. Thank you for helping to nip it in the bud here. This is Wikipedia, not Usenet. Regards, DurovaCharge! 17:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! It galls me that people can think they can anonymously comment or discredit people and think they can get away with it- I guess they are relying on the fact that those who are worried about being too combative will say nothing and let it go. I hate it when people who work very hard could be ruined by such things. No need to thank me- I just felt it was necessary to speak up. (repost) Monsieurdl (talk) 17:55, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Franco-Prussian War

Monsieurdl, I don't think I can be of much help on this. But I gave it a try, just in case. I don't know if this is of any use to you. Good luck.

From this site: "Dräi Eechelen is located at the rim of the Luxembourg plateau, with a nice view down the valley of the river Alzette and to the Corniche, the Luxembourg city center on the other side. This is the location of the historic Fort Thüngen.

The first fortification on this place was built around 1680 by Sébastien Le Prestre de Vauban, the foremost military engineer of his age. It was called Redoute du Parc by the French, who occupied the Grand Duchy at this time. From the 1730s Luxembourg was under Austrian rule and Fort Thüngen was built in 1732, around Vaubans fortification. It was constructed by and named after Freiherr von Thüngen."

This site has nice illustrations: "The 23-kilometre long galleries were enlarged only 40 years later by Vauban, the French military engineer and fortress builder, and in the eighteenth century by the Austrians ... During the first French rule from 1684 to 1697 Vauban raised the walls of the Beck Bastion lining the Pétrusse valley to the level of their present height." "Spanish Turrets: They were set up in the middle of the 17th century, integrated in the large fortifications initiated by the Spaniards and continued by Vauban. The actual purpose of the turrets has not been clearly established. Apparently there were 37 of them, but there is no historical evidence for this number."

The Musée d'Art Moderne says: "Named after the Baron Von Thüngen, Austrian commander of the fortress, the Fort Thüngen was built in 1832 based on plans drawn up by Vauban (who built the outside fort) in 1688."

The rest is from this site: "Casemates of the Pétrusse: Their origins date back to 1644, when the Spanish modernised the mediaeval fortifications and built large bastions, like the Beck bastion, whose platform is now occupied by the Place de la Constitution and which, once reinforced, is one of the rare fortifications still largely intact. Maréchal de Vauban gave the Pétrusse Casemates their current form, and the Austrians set up the Pétrusse Battery in 1746. Open: Easter, Whitsun and during school holidays from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m."

"Plateau du Rham: Built in 1632 by the Spanish, then in 1685 by Vauban, this formidable ramparts, which still tower 35 m above the lower town, live up to their name of "Balcony of Europe". The Plateau du Rham has not only retained impressive towers from the Wenceslas wall, but also the Vauban barracks (1684/85), the ruins of house of du Rham, the well-digger above Grund."

"The Three Acorns (Fort Thüngen): After the Congress of Vienna in 1815, the Prussian garrison modernised and enlarged many fortifications, including the former redoubt of the Vauban Park, which became "Fort Thüngen" under the Austrians (1732). The name "Trois Glands" comes from the extension of the apex of the arch of the three cupolas in the form of acorns. Archaeological work to enhance this fort are under way." SamEV (talk) 04:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Witch Trials

Many Thanks - the changes have begun, getting there. Edmund Patrick ( confer work) 19:10, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

Thank you for your staunch support throughout my RfA process. It was quite a ride! And a very close call, but I'm very happy that the third time turned out to be the charm.  :) Now, especially since it was such a controversial nom, I'm going to take things very slow. Plus of course it's the holiday season, so there are plenty of off-wiki distractions! I'm working my way through the exercises at the "admin school", and will phase very gradually into my use of tools. If I do have any questions, I won't hesitate to contact you for your advice and counsel. I also look forward to continuing to work with you on other history-related articles. Thanks again, Elonka 00:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Troy and box

Monsieurdi! How are you? Is that your box? Outstanding. I wonder if it might not be a tad too wide - 290px? 280px? 275? Certainly you wouldn't want it less than 250px. Right now it dominates the screen. Of course, if you are using full screen it is not as dominant. I always have my favorites off to the left. This is just a passing opinion. If the box were really inconvenient I would take it on myself to change it. It does look good. Great color scheme. The comprehensive plan is excellent. Most articles do not yet have it but neither do they have anything or anything near looking good. Don't worry about the Troy. Troy VIII falls conveniently at the 700 BC mark. After that you are not talking of any significant or powerful city, only the rump end. Some would end it at 1200 but it clearly was occupied after that. I suspect we have not even started with the archaeology of the city proper and not just the citadel. But, you have to respect property rights and ecology and so on. You just can't rip a big hole in square miles of productive land in someone else's country. Troy is a specialty, an aspect of Greece in the Bronze Age. You can just do that as a career and if qualified will have no trouble becoming employed. The University of Cincinnati turns out a few people versed in it (a very few). I expect the Troy articles will multiply (if I have my way). There's the myths and there's the archaeology not to mention the serious historical words of the historians. Everyone expects and sits with bated breath expecting additional evidence, say tablets, or new areas to excavate, that will not leave us hanging in mid-bronze-age - maybe - fancy this - a new archive of tablets in the Trojan language will turn up in some previously inaccessible place. Anyway, the box is a big leap forward in these articles.Dave (talk) 18:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Box looks good - if anything slightly too thin. But you could tweak around with this as it will appear in different articles for a long time. One needs to strike a balance between the box and the pictures under it, which look awful if they are not the same width as the box. For the peer review - I would have gone over it eventually. I'll do it, just not right this moment. When I do these things I give it a total check. The first thing I would start with is your refs. I always use cite book and cite web and I think that is what you are supposed to shoot for and then there are the page numbers. Just right off the top of my head, real quick, I see the term "Neo-Hittite". My understanding of the term is that the Neo-Hittites spoke languages derived from Hittite or by extension with the Indo-European branch, Anatolian. This is not the case with Phrygian and with some others in Anatolia; that is , neo-Hittite is not identical to later Anatolian. That is the sort of thing I would be changing or discussing. The right word is very important when you only have a few words. But also at first glance it looks like a good article. The devil is in the detail.Dave (talk) 20:10, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moneybomb Criticism section

  1. REDIRECT [[Hello I was wondering if you drop by and give your opinion of the section. As you seem to be honest in your neutral opinions. thank you.--Duchamps (talk) 19:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2007-08 Buffalo Sabres season

Yes, last night's win was great. No doubt about it. However, they had about six or seven wins like that last year. Imagine what that article would look like if we included an entire paragraph about every one of those games. WP:RECENT tells us to avoid writing long pieces about events which might seem significant today, but won't seem that intriguing a year or two or five from now. Skudrafan1 (talk) 01:35, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Compromise sounds good to me. I think I am going to move the summary of the game down to the December section of the article, though. Skudrafan1 (talk) 03:44, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Paul Revolution

Ron Paul Revolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ron_Paul_Revolution#Ron_Paul_Revolution

If you have time I would like to hear your comments on this page. Thanks--Duchamps comb (talk) 19:41, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] history of europe

Hello, Monsieurdl, Thanks a lot for your comments on the talk page - I'm glad you approve of the changes I've made over the last few days! In fact though, all I've done is really cosmetic, and the body of the article is what needs proper referencing. I just don't have time though outside of holidays!! I read through it all, and what's there is actually fairly decent, in the sense that it's pretty coherent, points out some interesting facts, and relates European history to things happening outside Europe. It's just not yet serious (i.e. no footnotes; I'm big on footnotes). Oh how I wish there were more time for doing Wikipedia! Wikidea 21:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] white supremacist

I have no problem with, "Paul keeps white supremacist donation", USA Today, 2007-12-20 www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-20-Paul-donation_N.htm

If you digg back far enough I even added to the criticism section. I take issue with “unknown users” statements: “It is a well known fact that white supremacists- including the KKK and David Duke- support Ron Paul.” and to imply “he's on good terms with hate groups? “

Catch my drift?--Duchamps comb (talk)

Talk:Ron Paul presidential campaign, 2008‎ Here it is.--Duchamps comb (talk)

[edit] Lakota people

If you have time I would like a 3rd party opinion on the page:[1] the "Independence movement" section. The current version verses my last version (trying to achieve census of NPOV). You will also find a lively arguments on the talk page. Best,--Duchamps_comb MFA 06:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] PGG

Hi Monsieurdl, the reason I was dissapointed is because time and time again I am let down by third party editors whom I rely on to oppose edits based on the sheer strength of reverts. Without the involvement of editors such as yourself, I basically cannot get a single edit into that article without the usual slanderous "Turkish denialist" rhetoric. Whether you agree with the pov-title tag or not, the point is to play a constructive role you should take the principle that any controversial edit, whether valid or not, must be forged on consensus and discussion - not forced reverts. Regards, --A.Garnet (talk) 21:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

This sort of caught me at a bad time- I'm trying to edit Franco-Prussian war battles and then this comes up. I really didn't devote enough time to looking at the edits as a whole and standing up for them- just the objectionable parts. I'm pouring over technical army details and then an edit war breaks out- I did my best. Unfortunately, it is the weekend and I am usually very busy. Put me down as supporting the POV tag until people can learn to control themselves and to use logical methods rather than push-button ones. Message me again if things heat up beyond control. Monsieurdl mon talk-mon contribs

21:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I understand, I have been busy myself trying to get Suleiman the Magnificent to FA status. For the time being, I'll make one more revert to see if it will force editors back to the talk page. Thanks, --A.Garnet (talk) 21:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WWI

If you are going to move the article back, please fix all the redirects. I have replied to your concerns at Talk:Causes of World War I - I find your reasoning to be seriously lacking. john k (talk) 05:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what one has to do with the other. The title and the content can both be improved. As far as titles go, it's not just a couple of authors. There's also Sam Williamson's Austria-Hungary and the Origins of the First World War, John Keiger's France and the Origins of the First World War, Zara Steiner's Britain and the Origins of the First World War, Dominic Lieven's Russia and the Origins of the First World War (admittedly, all part of a series), Sydney Fay's The Origins of the World War, Laurence Lafore's The Long Fuse: An Interpretation of the Origins of World War I, Annika Mombauer's Helmuth von Moltke and the Origins of the First World War. The term is by far the dominant term used in studies of this sort. Obviously the article needs to be improved, but I don't see how changing the title detracts from that. john k (talk) 16:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I really do not understand. I don't like that the article sucks either, but I don't see what that has to do with the title. Talking about "causes" of an event is generally problematic, and historians tend to avoid it - causation is a tricky business. "Origins" is the usual way of talking about the origins of a war, and the usual way this is referred to. In an argument over content, Werchofsky was using the problematic nature of "causes" to argue against inclusion of an important issue in the article - Bethmann's famous "scrap of paper" comment. In reply, I suggested that I didn't like the title, and that "origins" would be better. Werchofsky agreed with me. I looked at the actual sources on the subject - most of them use "Origins" (or else something alongs the lines of "the Coming of War".) Given the problems with the word "Causes," and the fact that most books on the subject, including, again, the most cited books on the subject - Joll's standard textbook and Albertini's standard narrative, which are not just "a couple of authors" - use "Origins," I decided that Origins was, by a great margin, the better title. I figured nobody would particularly care, and I find the RM guidelines ridiculously onerous, so I went ahead and moved the article. I don't see what the big deal is. If you want to improve the article, do so, instead of continuing to explain why you're frustrated that I moved the article. If you care about the title, and think it would be better at "Causes," go ahead and make the case. Move it back, redirect the redirects, and demand a vote. That's fine, and doing so doesn't actually prevent anyone from improving the article if they want to. If you don't care, then don't care - move on and improve the article. john k (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, no problem. I wish you luck on the Franco-Prussian War stuff. john k (talk) 19:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] My surname/mon nom de famille

mes ancêtres Québecois

I was not aware there was an entry on the surname LaRocque. Merci for pointing that out to me. I chose my user name from my ancestor Jehan-Philibert Couillaud de LaRocque dit Rocquebrune, though the article lists it a bit differently. I am only 1/8 Québecois (my great-grandfather), but 100% proud of it. I have the usual Québecois background: five ancestors arrived on the St-Jehan in 1634 (including the ubiquitous Zacharie Cloutier), six Carignan-Salières soldiers, seven filles du roi (including two marriages between the groups), seven ancestors who defended Rivière-Ouelle in 1690, two tortured to death by Iroquois, one tried for murder following the la Victoire de la Grenouillière, one Acadian line. I have one ancestor who was around Montréal in the 1830s, but to my regret his name (Joseph Rock) does not appear among the list of Patriotes. The link I list above is a genealogical report I set up for some of my family. Please see how many ancestors we share. -- Couillaud (talk) 06:04, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:69thOverseasBatt.JPG

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[edit] Invitation

Hello. You may have seen that some Wikipedia articles lack sources to given dates, timelines and chronologies.
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[edit] WikiProject Germany Invitation

Hello, Monsieurdl! I'd like to call your attention to the WikiProject Germany and the German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board. I hope their links, sub-projects and discussions are interesting and even helpful to you. If not, I hope that new ones will be.

--Zeitgespenst (talk) 17:20, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome to WikiProject Germany

Welcome, Monsieurdl, to the WikiProject Germany! Please direct any questions about the project to its talk page. If you create new articles on Germany-related topics, please list them at our announcement page and tag their talk page with our project template {{WikiProject Germany}}. A few features that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Where is Turkey?

Hi fellow editors, Can someone answer the question "where is Turkey?" Is it in Europe, Asia, or in the geopolitical entity named "the Middle East"? I was discussing it on Category_talk:Diplomatic_missions_by_country, as are many Turkish wikipedians, since in every Diplomatical Mission page without exception, Turkey is classified as "Middle Eastern". Each time any Turkish wikipedian reverted that page to "Turkey = Europe" someone frantically would put Turkey back to "Middle East" we discussed it with User:Kransky, the very creator of these page, who more or less obviously hates Turkey and does not want to give away his or her nationality, who flagged me for Vandalism and "Not assuming good faith" when I was only trying to protect what I believed was right and discussed politely.= Dear Turkish Wikipedians, I beg you to give me a hand on this very problem. Cheers (and desesperately) --Eae1983 (talk) 17:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Military history WikiProject coordinator elections

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[edit] coordinator election

The Wikiproject History is going to elect 3 coordinators. As a member you are invited to participate. Wandalstouring (talk) 10:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Milhist coordinators election has started

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[edit] Pontic Greek Genocide

I have been engaged in a dispute regarding the NPOV tag's removal with user A.Garnet. I would like to ask you since you are here longer what the next step should be. There has been a large number of sources presented that label it as such and a recognition by IAGS. I also discussed this with user Rosewounds in his talk page. I believe him to be acting in good faith and I think he and you should be involved as third parties. Would you suggest arbitration? Vote? Rosewounds is opposed to a vote which he feels would be attended mostly by Greeks. Could this be resolved via mediation in order not to give the,unfair but still, impression of mobbing. Also if the removal is endorsed by some pro-Turkish posters in the talk page this would act as a detterant to future drive-by denialists.Xenovatis (talk) 14:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you



Milhist Coordinator elections
Thank you very much for your support in the recent Military history Wikiproject elections. I went into it expecting to just keep my seat and was astonished to end up with the lead role. I anticipate a rather busy six months :) --ROGER DAVIES talk 13:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Haut-Koeningsbourg castle, Alsace.

[edit] Thanks

Hello Monsieurdl. Thanks for your support at the Military history elections. With your aid I was able to commision this ship to help plunder the coast of Military history for the third time. Na, just kidding. If you ever require any astance all you have to do is ask and you will see my ship on the horizon. Kyriakos (talk) 13:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] March 2008 edition of the WikiProject Germany newsletter

The Germany WikiProject Newsletter
Issue II - March 2008
From the editor

This is the second issue of WikiProject Germany's newsletter. The newsletter is intended to help all members of the project to keep up with new developments and coordinate new collaborative efforts. If you think anything should be featured in the next issue, please leave a note at the Newsdesk
Other areas where you can help
  • Assessment requests: Some open Requests for assessment need to be answered. To see new assessment requests as they come in, you can watchlist the assessment page.
  • More task forces and subprojects: As this WikiProject covers a very large topic area, it is helpful to add more task forces that focus on specific aspects of Germany. Currently, we have a Mainz task force, a Munich subproject and some joint task forces with other WikiProjects. Any project member is invited to start a new task force. Suggestions for possible topics:
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    • German Democratic Republic

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Project news
  • Cities and municipalities task force

The task force dedicated to creating and improving articles on all German cities and municipalities is happy to announce that there are now (at least) stub articles for all municipalities of Germany. Now the task force is looking for help in fleshing these out a little bit. The current phase of activity for the task force is to copy in infoboxes from the articles in German Wikipedia. If you want to help, even just for a few articles, look at the instructions and links here

  • Article Assessment:

There are now way over 26.000 articles tagged as part of our Wikiproject and many still need either an importance or a quality assessment. Also there are many more out there that do need to be tagged like approx 8000 municipalities. If you would like to help take a browse through Articles needing Importance assessment or Articles needing a basic quality assessment.

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[edit] WikiProject Christianity

Hello Monsieurdl!

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity

The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

You are receiving this invitation because you are a member of one of the related Christianity Projects and I thought that you might be interested in this project also - Tinucherian (talk) 04:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:MysticTown.JPG

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[edit] me

I'm curious what your "me" edit summary means. I couldn't figure it out. Thanks, DoubleBlue (Talk) 17:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

me stands for minor edit- I use it whenever I misspell something, or leave off an important character, forget to erase a bit of code, or commit some typo that I missed. That's it! :) Monsieurdl mon talk-mon contribs

19:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Duh! :-) It just eluded me for some reason. Thanks! DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCookie

Just stopping by with cookies for those editors who started new articles. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Just stopping by with cookies for those editors who started new articles. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:57, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some small problems on List of largest flags

Hi Monsieur, some anonymous user has been giving me a hard time on List of largest flags, making a lot of nationalist comments. Could you, if you have the time, look it up and help me out? I feel drowned!! --Eae1983 (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)


Oh, thanks a million, Monsieur!!! --Eae1983 (talk) 23:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Monsieur! The Article List of largest flags has been put on for deletion because of reasons I do not understand. The article is accused of "hijacking wikipedia for political reasons" because it includes the Cyprus Flag. Well as much as you know me, I am the last person to be political (though objective I am), I enjoy History, Architecture etc. but the deletion of the article has some political roots, I am actually suspacting a blocked user who just created a new account. It is there: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of largest flags see it for yourself, vote as you wish!
Do you need any help on the particular subject about Istanbul's architecture? I can provide you with many sources. One thing I noted is also that the Yeni Camii and the Yeni Valide Camii have two different articles when they are talking about the same mosque, the one in Eminönü, when actually one of them should be the one in Üsküdar.
Always remaining at your service! --Eae1983 (talk) 22:13, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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