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Perhaps a special sub-section noting the Valley's appearance in film/TV would be appropriate. --Jeremy Butler 12:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree, suggested section heading "Film/TV"? I found this list already http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rothko/140/mvalley.htmlHans Erren
I have made it so--as a subsection. I'd suggest adding more movies from the above list, but I'd limit the selection to movies in which the Valley is especially prominent. It'd be good to have a line or two describing the movie's use of the Valley. --Jeremy Butler 12:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Jeremy, John Fords point is the flat area with the shops where the Dineh rents his horse for a picture, not the rock outcrop on my photograph, that would be "John Wayne's point". http://home.casema.nl/errenwijlens/family/hans_monumentvalley.jpg Hans Erren

Very interesting. I have a photo my mother took from John Ford's Point, but I (mis)understood it to be of the Point not from it. Good to get that clarified. --Jeremy Butler 12:54, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
I can't find points with either name on the USGS geodetic map. Can someone give me a clue where it is, and I'll search in more detail. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:39, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
"John Wayne's point" is my name-invention for the bluff where photographers usually put a horse with an indian, it is part of Elephant Butte eg http://emi-cfd-reseau.org/res2004/technique/navajos/eric/navajos3.html
On the local map near the visitor center "John Fords point" is the position of the camera, not the position of the indian.
http://home.casema.nl/errenwijlens/family/MonVal_JFpt.gif
(map modified from http://www.hanksville.org/voyage/defs/monval/MonVal.gif) Hans Erren
here is another map http://www.roadhaus.com/images/Gallery/Monument%20Valley/images/Monument%20Valley%201b.jpg and a detailed aerial photograph http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=13&Z=12&X=363&Y=2556&W=3

Based on these shots, I've fairly certain that the movie "Wild Wild West" featured shots of Monument Valley. Jon 15:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

See the IMDb list that I recently added to External Links. WWW is there. —Tamfang 06:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Errors

The nearest indian village to Monument Valley is Oljato, 10 miles around Oljato mesa, though a few Navajos rent of lease land from Goulding's. Goulding's is run by whites, the Lafonts. There is no village of Goulding. Goulding's is the local Hotel, owned by RGJ corporation. They are on private land. Not all of the land is Navajo Reservation. I've lived 10 miles from MV all my life. Martinphi 05:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inclusion of Gouldings in this article

Gouldings is part of the modern history of MV and should not be ignored. It is hardly "advertising" in the conventional sense, given its place in the movie history of MV and the fact that a museum exists there today. Viva-Verdi 16:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

That's great. Goulding's should be included, but only within the context of history, along with the Wetherills, Virginia and Ed Smith of Oljato Trading Post, The Mitchell and Merrick story, the Adventist Mission and Hospital, the Episcopal Mission and Father Liebler's St. Mary's of the Moonlight church, Uranium mining and Moonlight mine and the sicknesses it caused, Hoskinini and many other things as well. But if we keep it in the Tourism section, we need to include such things as the Bed & Breakfasts (some also historic such as Valley of the Gods B&B and FireTree B&B), the lodgings in Kayenta and Mexican hat (some also historic such as the Wetherill Inn in Kayenta), the campgrounds available, etc. We'd also need to include the Navajo establishments which sell jewelry, the Oljato Trading Post, horseback ride establishments, and day trip establishments. Including Goulding's in the Tourism section is advertising for a single institution. I'll remove the passage here till we can come to a conclusion on this. Martinphi (Talk Ψ Contribs) 21:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Goulding's Lodge, the original trading post established in 1923 and which was featured in several films made by John Ford in the Valley, has been expanded but a museum, housed in the original trading post building where trader Harry Goulding and his wife "Mike" lived, is open to the public and contains much movie memorabilia.