Talk:Monty (comic strip)

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:MontyCartoon.gif

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BetacommandBot 05:23, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use info added. Same as Garfield or other cartoons. Timneu22 09:49, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deciding what is Robotman as opposed to what is Monty

I'd like to open a discussion, please.

1) I have read that Jim Meddick was contracted to do Robotman, and was not happy with the strip, and the restrictions imposed on him. (The source here may be "The Comics Journal", I don't have it in hand.)

2) The cartoon, as Robotman, was very popular in my area, and a local poll kept it from being deleted from a major newspaper.

3) The change to Monty is represented here as a difficulty with marketing (the source being Meddick). However, it would be more straightforward to say that it was the point at which Meddick gained more artistic control. I would like to see an independent, third-party citation that there was a "difficulty with marketing" and what that difficulty was. The source I read said that Meddick didn't like the whole concept, and couldn't wait to be rid of it.

This article does not make clear that there are two, rather different strips. The Wiki redirect of Robotman to a comic that does not even contain the charater Robotman is inappropriate. Also the characters are not the same, the situations are not the same, and the humor differs.

I'm sorry, but, I think Robotman was very clever. I don't even read Monty. That's how much difference there is between them, and it is...inappropriate...to represent them as the same strip. They are not. When Meddick was under pressure, he performed exceptionally. When he indulged in his own concepts, it was different. In my opinion, less successful. It's important to recognize that artists sometimes work best within constraints that they find distasteful.

24.130.128.157 (talk) 06:26, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't know about any contractual difficulties Meddick may or may not have had, but I don't really see that as necessarily all that relevant. I do quite clearly remember, however, when Robotman and his girlfriend (hmm, can't remember her name) left the strip, leaving Monty to carry on alone. So while I can accept the assertion that the strips aren't really the same, the one certainly evolved from the other. It's my opinion that the "formerly Robotman" text should be restored. HiramShadraski (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Note also that I've restored the disambig page for Robotman. The strips may not be the same, but there's no reason to purposefully inject vagueness into searches for material. The question of whether it's appropriate to include the link to this article is a separate one (and should be discussed over there). HiramShadraski (talk) 16:28, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I think the "formerly Robotman" text can be remain removed, because the first section of the article discusses Robotman. I also like that you have restored the disambiguation page for Robotman. Thus, I think the current state of things is appropriate. I feel bad for the 24.130 user who doesn't read Monty. It's just as good as Robotman and better! (IMHO) Timneu22 (talk) 11:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)