Talk:Montreal Protocol

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I have been told that the protocol allows 'developing countries' to continue producing the banned CFCs. I'm wondering what countries are defined as 'developing' for this purpose. Any ideas?

-- Yes. "Developing countries" is used here as a technical short-hand for those countries the Parties refer to as "Article 5 countries." Article 5 countries have limited production of ozone-depleting substances, and are in some sense self-defined, but generally fall beneath certain thresholds for low income and development. The list of countries corresponds very closely to the general understanding.

Developing countries must also phase out the listed ozone-depleting substances, but they are on a longer time-frame for the phaseout.

Discussion on renaming page, from WP:RM

Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer → Montreal Protocol -- The Kyoto Protocol is set up with its common short name, instead of Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change, whereas the almost as common Montreal Protocol is not... (or you can reverse this argument and move Kyoto Protocol to its proper name) 132.205.15.4 19:46, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Is this a "binding" agreement? If so, what are the signatories required to do? What has been the U.S. response to the treaty? What has the EPA done to enforce the treaty? -- User:Ed Poor

-- Yes. The treaty is binding for Parties. Parties have a wide range of responsibilities, the most important of which is the phasing out of the production and use of certain ozone-depleting substances. The U.S. EPA has promulgated a wide range of regulations to enforce the treaty, largely pursuant to its authority under the U.S. Clean Air Act.

I am planning to move all the reasons for the protocol to this page. I will leave behind on the relevant pages links to the following argument:

  1. CFC emissions reduce statospheric ozone
  2. Reduced ozoze increases surface UV
  3. Increased surface UV increase skin cancer

I will put all the evidence which supports this hypothesis here, as well as evidence that fails to support the hypothesis. Readers can make up their own mind as to whether the facts support the hypothesis.

The relevant pages (CFC, Ozone depletion, Ultraviolet) are just fine and don't need to be changed. You can easily add the rationale behind the protocol to this article by pointing to the other articles. If somebody wants to know why UV causes cancer, they certainly would not (and should not!) look under "Montreal protocol". AxelBoldt

-- I agree. Links are more appropriate. This page would be most useful to readers if it stays focused on the Protocol itself.

The article CFC ban is listed to be merged with this article. It seems to be all here except the following: Other bans have been made or proposed based on incomplete or disputed science (see precautionary principle). I'm not sure this material belongs here. I'm going to make CFC ban a redirect to here. If anyone thinks the above line (and its list of articles) belongs here they can merge it in (see the history of that article if interested). RJFJR 03:51, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

When was the Protocol negotiated? How long did it take? Any interesting diplomacy to discuss? RJFJR 03:44, Apr 2, 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Strawberry fields forever ozone depleting in america

This is the same america that did Agent Orange:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/11/28/pesticide.politics.ap/index.html

[edit] HCFCs

I will try to add something in the text about HCFCs, please correct me if I was to bold ;-) --Bbold 17:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

Contributor 209.219.75.98 added a link to a 1998 document from the Competitive Enterprise Institute that is, IMO, biased, tendentious, and inaccurate on several points. Since the Montreal Protocol is ultimately a matter of politics rather than science, it is not inappropriate to have links to dissenting views, but I have added a couple of links to more mainstream views in order to provide some balance. (Note that even people like Bjorn Lomberg nowadays regard ozone depletion as a case where strong environmental regulations were appropriate.) --Rparson 00:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Scientific Background

Changed "recent" to "contemporary" in the first paragraph. "Recent" is always related to the present and so didn't seem to make sense.Schaddm 04:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vienna Amendment

Pardon my forward comment, but I am unaware of a Vienna Amendment signed in 1995, only the Vienna Convention which was initiated in 1985. Is this correct? The basis for my comment is a research paper produced by the national environmental ministry in South Africa. Please provide clarity. Y Naiker 08:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yesterday, Wednesday, the fifth,

Paul Ralph Ehrlich, George Shultz, Amy Goodman, < http://auroraforum.stanford.edu/events.php?id=47 >, discussed Montréal Protocol, Kyoto Protocol, global warming, Iraq,... et cetera, @ Stanford.

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[edit] name

it's odd that this article gives no indication of why it is called the Montreal protocol. I'm assuming it was negotiated there? - TheMightyQuill (talk) 21:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I still see no evidence that CFC's can get "up" into the ozone layer to cause damage. These molecules are very dense. I've see a quick puff of R-12 snuff a smoldeering cigarette butt 10 feet away in about 30 seconds. This substanse creeps along the ground, even high heat cannot make it get higher in the atmosphere than hydrogen could. 68.231.189.202 (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CFC Inhalers / Evohalers

Just wondering about the section referring to inhalers being critical use and still allowed; I heard that evohalers or something of the kind were being produced, and thus old style inhalers were being phased out. http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=195940 + http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=2222599 - I know personally I'm using a salbutumol evohaler atm, so just thought I'd look for quick sources and post a note, may correct if I have more time or a more informed response.~CortalYXTalk? 23:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)