Talk:Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport

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[edit] Controvercy

I work at YUL and there is and has been free wifi for quite some time. I never heard about there being pay wifi. Also there are many outlets still freely avaible.

[edit] Naming

No idea why this page name had the forward slash in it. Per Aéroports de Montréal, the official name of the airport is "Montréal-Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Aiport, so I moved it to that page and fixed the double (triple, actually) redirect at YUL. Basil Fawlty 02:24, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I disagree with the renaming. Nav Canada and Transport Canada use the slash consistently for Trudeau and Mirabel, as well as other airports. We should stick with the official published names and try to be consistent ourselves (i.e. Ottawa/Macdonald-Cartier International Airport). I'll wait for further discussion to see if we can reach a consensus on restoring the earlier name. David 02:39, 2005 Jun 3 (UTC)
Hmm, general Wikipedia policy seems to be put at the more common name, even if it not technically the official name. That is why is the Czech Republic, and not Czechia. The WikiProject airports policy clashes slightly with this. I am undecided as to which way we should jump. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 09:02, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
The reason that we use "the Czech Republic" in the English version of Wikipedia is that it's the English name of the country. Likewise, we use "Moscow" instead of "Moskva", "The French Revolution" instead of "La révolution française", and so on.
If we used the most common names for airports, our articles would have titles like "Pearson", "Heathrow", "JFK", "LAX" etc. (similarly, the article for Toronto would probably have the title "T.O", and the article for Los Angeles would definitely be called "L.A."). Most airport web sites are all over the place -- the full name is usually too cumbersome, so they use some kind of abbreviated form, and often several different abbreviated forms. I think that we need to treat airports the same way we treat other geographical features, and use the officially-registered name where available (i.e. Greater Sudbury). David 14:00, 2005 Jun 4 (UTC)Ţ
I agree entirely with this. Common names are simply too variable to be useful. In addition, the official name is definitely written with a dash, see this announcement from Trasnport Canada itself. The consensus on WikiProject:Airports seems to be that we should go with the airport authority (as we go with official names for everything else), so I don't think the slash is correct here. Basil Fawlty 17:18, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that either Transport Canada or the airport authorities are all that careful about punctuation -- it might come down to the whims of the person typing. We'll want to standardize sooner or later, to avoid inconsistencies. Where the city name is not part of the core airport name (i.e. "Lester B. Pearson International Airport"), the Canada Flight Supplement (CFS), which is the official book of airport information, always uses a slash: "Toronto/Lester B. Pearson International Airport", "Ottawa/Macdonald-Cartier International Airport", "Moncton/McEwan Airport", etc. When the core name does begin with the muncipality, there is no slash: "Vancouver International Airport", "Burlington Airpark", etc. We could use a dash or a slash, in Canadian airport names, but I don't think we should mix the two.
The Canada Air Pilot (instrument procedures) also use the slash. The U.S. Airport/Facility Directory (equivalent of CFS) uses headings and subheadings, so it's no help, but the U.S. Terminal Procedures (instrument procedures) use the slash: "Boston/General Edward Lawrence Logan International Airport", etc. It looks like the slash is the closest we have to a preferred aviation usage; it's also what all the Montreal-area airports use. David 23:01, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)

Do somebody knows if it's true that TAROM Romanian is flying to Montreal because it think they already stopped this route?

[edit] Aircraft movements 2004

The NavCan publication TP577 shows 205,441 not 235,441 for 2004 and is available here Transport Canada Aircraft Movements, 2004

Forgot to sign yesterday. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 18:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Can we get some comments on the number of aircraft movements for Trudeau for 2004. My claim is that the correct number is 205,441 based on the Transport Canada Aircraft Movements, 2004.

User:Neorge claims based on Aéroports de Montréal 2004 that the correct number is 235,209. The movements are at the bottom of the page.

I feel that based on Aéroports de Montréal statement that they operate both Trudeau and Mirabel and that the 235,209 number is the total movements are for both airports added together.

Please see further comments on our talk pages User talk:Neorge and User talk:CambridgeBayWeather.

  • The problem with posting statistics is that you need a sound source. Local companies may not be the most reliable especially if they don't clearly state what their data covers. National Government sources are probably better because they should be using the same measurements for all airports that they report on. International agencies should also be OK since they too are comparing airports on a common footing. Having two competing sets of numbers in the article is probably not the best solution. Vegaswikian 01:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tarom Romanian Airlines

Does anybody here knows if Tarom really flies to Montreal, becuase I thought that they will re-start this route in May 2006. NorbertArthur 28 December 2005


[edit] 2006 Airlines Serving Montreal

I removed the reference to Austrian Airlines because as of summer 2006 the airline will only be serving Toronto/Pearson, removing the Montreal flight.

Cyul

[edit] Aircraft movements

I had thought that the stats provided by Aéroports de Montréal were for both Trudeau and Mirabel so I emailed them and this is what I got back (removed personal info):

They are for Montréal-Trudeau (YUL) and Montréal-Mirabel (YMX).

Best regards,

Name removed Advisor, Airport Communications

-----Message d'origine-----


De : Email address removed
Envoyé : 27 février, 2006 09:24
À : YULClientele
Objet : User's comments from the www.admtl.com Website

Comments from the www.admtl.com Website :


ApplicationAPI127: postback
Last_name: Sim
First_name: Alan
Company:
Title: Mr
from_mail: Email address removed
Address: Address removed
City: Address removed
Postal_code: Address removed
Province: Address removed
Country: Address removed
Telephone: Address removed
Fax:
Terminal: dorval
Airline:
Flight_number:
Comments: I have a strange question. Are the aircraft movements listed at http://www.admtl.com/corporate_info.aspx?id=84 for both Trudeau and Mirabel or just for Trudeau. Thanks Alan

So I've updated the stats for movements based on the infromation from Aircraft Movements by Class of Operation - 2005 - Preliminary, Airports with NAV CANADA Towers. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LH

Added Lufthansa destination to Frankfurt - I'm on the flight tomorrow. Cheers, Hanso 5 Jul 2006

Lufthansa only codeshares on Air Canada. LH doesn't fly their own metal. They only do so to Munich. Elektrik Blue 82 19:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 106th

Again, some anonymous editor has put the "fact" that YUL is the 106th busiest airport in the world. Being 1st, 2nd, 3rd, is ok, and is thus noteworthy. However, is being 106th noteworthy as well? This is more for the trivia buffs and not for the encyclopedia. Elektrik Blue 82 17:58, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Most Important Airport in Canada?

"It is arguably the most important airport in Canada, because without it many airlines would have to relocate to other cities, and that would be a very expensive and time consuming project."

Not only does that sentence have no merit, it also poorly written. Airports don't scale their importance by number of airline HQ's located in surrounding areas, the merit of airport importance is the size, and passager passthrough. The above sentence is subjective, and unless a source is indicated that some new method of airport ranking has been made I am deleting that poorly written and subjective sentence. This is an encyclopedia, unprofessional assumptions that it would be a time consuming and expensive project also does not belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor18 (talk • contribs)

[edit] ADDRESS

WTH IS THE ADDRESS OF THIS AIRPORT? HOW FAR IS IT FROM DOWNTOWN??U? AND WHY THE HELL IS IT CALLED YUL?? WHAT IS CYUL???!!!!!!1

The Canada Flight Supplement say that it's "adjacent southwest" which I assume means from Dorval. YUL is the IATA airport code and CYUL the ICAO airport code. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 17:29, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
This still doesn't answer the question "How the heck did IATA manage to come up with such a codename?" For heck's sake, only the L is shared between Montreal and YUL... And for Pierre Elliott Trudeau... PET is still free, so is MPT. What could YUL possibly stand for? Besides Yul Brynner, that is. :-D Btw, even a hint of where else could i ask this would be highly appreciated. -- Jokes Free4Me 17:41, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Your assuming that there is a logical reason for the code and that may not be true. It was CYUL/YUL before 2004 when the airport was renamed from Dorval to Trudeau in 2004. Take a look at Kugluktuk Airport which is CYCO/YCO because it used to be "Coppermine Airport" or Ulukhaktok/Holman Airport which is CYHI/YHI based on the misconception that it was "Holman Island Airport". On the other hand look at Gjoa Haven Airport which is CYHK/YHK, Edmonton City Centre (Blatchford Field) Airport CYXD/YXD orMontréal-Mirabel International Airport CYMX/YMX and there are probably many more. There's not much logical about those last three. London Heathrow Airport and London Gatwick Airport are interesting in that the IATA codes follow on from the name, LHR & LGW but the ICAO codes are EGLL & EGKK. The best place to ask would be to contact IATA directly and see what they say. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edits

Rewrote the first section so as to be able to remove the fact tag. I removed the sentence "The airport completed a CAD$716 million expansion plan that enables the terminal to have a capacity of 20 million passengers per year." as it's not clear when that was and it's covered later on. I removed the external link after "...contains the 2nd largest duty free shop in North America" as it only discussed Toronto so it now needs a citation. I removed a link to a forum that was being used to reference a WestJet destination. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 05:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WestJet flights

The flights listed under the International concourse are not correct. They are not on the route map and you cannot book a flight to any of these locations. The source is clearly wrong. The flights may be operated by WestJet but are probably charters by another airline. See http://c3dsp.westjet.com/guest/destinations/ourDestinations.jsp. Thankyoubaby (talk) 18:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)