Talk:Montini Catholic High School (Lombard, Illinois)

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[edit] Consensus?

Montini Catholic had an incident in which one of its students was arrested. The student threw a house party in another montini students house while the family was on vacation. The party was full of drugs, violence, underage drinking, and sex games. It gained notice from the national community and the victim's family was on Oprah and CNN. Assuming I can find the actual sources (which I've done before I just can't right now), would it be reasonable to include this in the Montini page? I assumed it would merit inclusion as it was a national news story. Thank you for your thoughts. Eris11 16:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC) 16:07

Was the story about Montini, or is it about underaged/teen drinking, drugs, violence, and sex games and it coincidentally involved a student that just happened to attend Montini? --JJLatWiki 17:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The story went that a student from Montini orchestrated one of the most massive and perverse parties that had been seen. It was supposed to go on for a week. It was significant because two Montini students were primarily involved (the party planner and the student whose house was vandalized) and several others who attended. Admittedly, there were far more people at the party than just Montini students but its originator and victim were Montini students. The school issued a press release and the media went to the campus. Eris11 05:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds to me like a very inconsequential, tangential connection to Montini. It's an inconsequential event that didn't happen on school property, nor, I assume, was it endorsed by the school, so I don't see how it belongs in this article. --JJLatWiki 16:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, that was my question. I just wasn't sure since it was a big deal in the media. Ok. Thanks for your help. Eris11 17:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC) 22:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC) 22:16,

If it was a big deal, maybe you can provide some links to the story. I found nothing on CNN and nothing regarding Oprah's show and this high school. I am interested. --JJLatWiki 22:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Give me a little bit of time to see what I can throw together. I'm at work now and I can't get on CNN (but they'll let me on wikipedia?) so I'll check later and throw some sources together. Eris11 17:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I tried looking but I've had a difficult time. Originally, I found a transcript from CNN but now I can't seem to locate it. Anyways, I'll keep looking but I don't have it now. Eris11 15:34, 8 June 2007 (UTC) 15:34,

[edit] Recent Edits by JJLatWiki

Can you please tell me, JJLatWiki why you erased all my stuff from privateschoolreview.com? As I recall, my information did not include any opinions or skeptical information. I'm not sure why you deleted and/or edited my contributions. If you could explain yourself and we could reach a consensus, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Eris11 21:42, 8 June 2007 (UTC) 21:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC) 21:40,

I will try explain:

1. I felt the "small, family atmostphere" was a marketing ideal and was not NPOV. A 1:12 ratio does not define the atmostphere, and some people would argue that an enrollment of over 600 students also makes that ideal impossible. But regardless, it isn't neutral. 1:12 is NPOV and verifiable, so I only removed it from the body because it exists in the table on the right. If you can word it so that its neutrality is maintained, I see no reason why it could not be included. If you could find a school policy statement that said, "In order to offer the parents and students a small, family atmosphere, Montini has a strict policy of maintaining a ratio of one faculty member to each 12 students." Then, the Wikipedia article could say something like, "In 1996, the Montini Board of Directors issued a policy that restricted the school's faculty to student ratio to no more than 1 to 12 in order to offer a small, family atmosphere." --JJLatWiki 00:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

2. I removed, "Montini also usually has a school-average ACT score two or so points above the nation-wide average" because it sounds so vague and almost weasel-worded. "Usually" has a score of 2 "or so" points above the average? That's resoundingly trivial and unqualified. "Usually" requires some evidence that correlates annual national averages and Montini's annual average. "Or so" is too vague. It also should be further qualified to diferentiate between ACT scores taken by college-bound seniors and an overall student-body score. --JJLatWiki 00:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)