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Another continuity explanation, though it relies on Scotty somehow learning of the nexus, would be that, in fact, it was wholly possible for the events of Generations to have played out a bit differently, and Kirk in fact going to look for Scotty afterward.

Contents 1 Rename article to Scotty? 2 Scottish cliché? 3 We need a Scotty worthy of being called Scotty 4 Request for a disambiguation page 5 Fictional atheists?

[edit] Rename article to Scotty?

• 'Scotty' currently redirects to this page, and the term is surely more popular than "Montgomery Scott" when refering to the character. As per Wikipedia policy, I believe the article should be renamed. --Xiaphias 07:25, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
• It would have to be Scotty (Star Trek): there are many people nicknamed "Scotty". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 10:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Scottish cliché?

From the article:

Scotty also became a kind of general cliché for any chief engineer in the movie genre of science fiction parodies. It has also become something of a cliché for starship engineers to be Scottish — even Star Trek: The Next Generation briefly had a Scottish engineer aboard the Enterprise-D.

Isn't this just a specific example of a general case, that of the Scottish engineer as an overall stereotype, not just one restricted to science fiction? As it is, it reads as though the stereotype of the Scottish engineer springs from the character; it was certainly alive and well in the late Victorian period (Kipling's McAndrew, say), and probably earlier. Thoughts? Shimgray 02:08, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

You're correct; the stereotype doesn't originate with Star Trek. Certainly when one thinks of great engineers, James Watt comes to mind and he's quite a few centuries earlier than Scotty. :-)

Atlant 10:59, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I'd argue Watt was a great engineer who happened to be Scottish, rather than an example of the stereotypical Scottish engineer, but I agree it's certainly an old cliché. Watt's one of the people who made it possible, arguably - it was heavily driven by Scots coal mining, and the need for steam engineers to work there, which gave the infrastructure to produce many more of them... Shimgray 12:09, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

==Since Relics== I wonder if Scotty got to meet Spock again? Perhaps not, since Spock is on a personal unification mission on Romulus. Spock may react to Scotty's still being alive as "Fascinating". Spock & Scotty surviver brothers in-arms. Mightberight/wrong 13:09, 31 October 2005

The above writer needs to read the Shatnerverse novels and some of the post TNG novels.

Addendum: To anyone who wonders how the Enterprise could have 3 captains at once. Roddenberry's original idea was that rank was an office to be held and less of military position. This was true of the Apollo missions where every astronaut was a "commander" of some aspect of the moon mission, but deferred to the real mission leader.

[edit] We need a Scotty worthy of being called Scotty

This guy is suppose to play Scotty in the next movie?

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0363771/Ss/0363771/C282.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=McAvoy,%20James

http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0472160/Ss/0472160/P_1883.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=McAvoy,%20James

This can't be true. --24.123.188.12 18:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Are You Kidding? That Guy wouldn't Even make a good Redshirt!!Captain Eric 17:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

That's what it says. Does anyone have any newer information? --JRTyner 07:38, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for a disambiguation page

• There are two other notable people called Scotty; the Jamaican reggae toaster and one of Elvis Presley's original backing musicians. Could some admin create a disambiguation page please? Thanks in advance.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 15:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
• I made Scotty into a disambig page. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fictional atheists?

What is the basis of classifying Scotty as an atheist? If it's the line "Scotty doesn't believe in gods" from "Who Mourns for Adonais?", that line could well be interpreted as "Scotty only believes in one God". In monotheistic circles, there is often a sharp distinction between "lower-case 'g' gods" and "Capital 'g' God". On one occasion in the original series (which episode escapes me), he says "thank heaven" when Kirk's life is saved to be admonished by Spock who tells him no deity was involved. If there are other canonical references to Scotty's belief or lack thereof, please post them. Rockhopper10r 14:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

• To us, there might be a difference between god and God but to the inhabitants of the 23rd century, it may just mean "any gods" whatsoever. Also, consider that McCoy is always making exclamations to heaven, God or "The Lord". He may or may not seriously believe. In Star Trek The Motion Picture, he asks "But what else is there than the Universe?" when they learn that V'Ger wants to transcend. In Wrath of Khan, he says "According to myth, Earth was created in six days". Key word is "myth" meaning that he considers the book of Genesis as just a story.Mr. ATOZ (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Two points to consider:

• The original series was written in the 1960s, not the 23rd Century, so linguistic cconventions would surely not be so different from our own.
• A goodly number of modern Christians and Jews consider the first eleven chapters of the Book of Genesis--though not the entire book--to be myth.

I'm not convinced that Scotty would be considered an atheist, a Christian or anything in particular.Rockhopper10r (talk) 03:03, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been nearly a month and so far no one has given an indisputable, canonical example of Scotty's atheism. If no one else comes forward, I'll remove this article from the category.Rockhopper10r (talk) 14:37, 22 November 2007 (UTC)