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History section fork

I decided to be bold and do something I've thought about and discussed on here before - namely fork the history section of this article into its own article. I think it stands alone quite nicely, and it shaved 12kb off of this article's size. --JohnDBuell 01:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Well done, John. That was a good idea and I think that it has worked well. That being so you may wonder why I have added a summary back. I have done so because it is common practice when splitting off a section as a new article to leave a short summary in the original article. This makes a better section than just having a plain link. As you can see I have used the intro from the new article as it seemed ideal for the purpose. Cheers -- Derek Ross | Talk 04:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it is quite surprising that any mention of Lizzie Magie has been removed from the main page. Certainly her contribution deserves mentioning on the main entry, despite Hasbro and Parker Bros seventy year attempt to erase her contribution from the record. The Wikipedia is not a place for corporate PR. If someone wants to move the history section to its own page, that is one thing. Removing Lizzie Magie from the main page is something quite different. --Anonymous 14:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

A few years ago, I noticed that Miss Magie was not mentioned in this article and added information about her to it. I see that you have more recently done the same. Well done. What's corporate PR got to do with it ? -- Derek Ross | Talk 14:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hasbro's PR and marketing attempts to excise any mention of Magie from Monopoly -- 15:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
If her name is to be restored to the main article text, let's at least get the facts correct! --JohnDBuell 00:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Derek, if you want to copy some or part of the revised history section back to the introduction of the new history article, go ahead. I wrote the introduction to the new article (which you correctly copied back here as a teaser) to be a teaser to the new article itself, not wanting to give everything away in a three paragraph summary, because, let's face it, the history cannot be well summarized in a mere three paragraphs. --JohnDBuell 01:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
And just to set the record straight - in moving the history section off into its own article, which I think everyone will agree is well-deserved, no removal of any specific person's involvment was at all intentional. If it were ever determined that any employee of any corporation was trying to distort an article to match their company's goals or ends....well there are procedures in place for reviewing edits of that sort. I have absolutely no professional affiliation with Hasbro, any of their subsidiaries or their licensees. --JohnDBuell 01:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
John, as I said to you before, I am perfectly happy with the way you split the history off into a new article and never for a moment thought that you were attempting to slant the facts one way or another. While I approve of the mention of Elizabeth Magie in the main article, I thought that the insinuation of corporate PR by the anon contributor was well out of line. You have always edited the Monopoly articles in a sensible, fair and above-board fashion, and so as far as I'm concerned there is no need to change what you have written, and I won't. -- Derek Ross | Talk 05:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Other themes of Monopoly

Shouldn't it be stated somewhere in the article that themed Monopoly such as Star Wars and NHL are available? 216.8.131.66 06:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

There are no specifics, but the idea is touched on in the Variants section of the article. There had been a LONG and ever-growing list, which really isn't a good idea in an article, especially a Featured Article. --JohnDBuell 14:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I don't know if any of you are aware, but there is a new version of Monopoly from Winning Moves. It's called Mega Monopoly, because it has more properties and more spaces. I might like to see some more data about this version in the article.

It's already covered in the List of licensed Monopoly game boards article, under U.S. releases, and the letter M. --JohnDBuell 20:11, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Branding

someone could do with adding a short sentence or two about the UK national lottery scratchcard based on monploly. Not knowing much about it, I can't write it, but if someone else does, it would make a good adition.--Warlorddagaz 20:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know about other state or national lottery scratchcards, but the Illinois Lottery version is mentioned, indirectly, at the end of the History of the board game Monopoly article. --JohnDBuell 01:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Snake eyes

As per the assertion that one of the "common house rules" is "A $686 bonus for rolling snake eyes (a pair of ones). $686 is one of each bill," is there a citation for this? I searched for it and found no other sites which listed it other than mirror sites; the only sites I found listed a $100 or $500 bonus, such as this one. Personally, we always played where you got $1000, but I don't know that that's common. Shannernanner 07:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Since no one has responded, I'm going to go ahead and edit it, with references. Shannernanner 03:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Logo?

i don't get it. Why was my logo deleted? It's not a copyright violation, plus it looks nice.  Scrumshus Talk to me 21:16, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Different law. It's a violation of Hasbro's trademark, and would set a bad precedent, as none of the other board game articles use their respective game logos. I really don't think that using a logo as the title to an Infobox could be justified under fair use, without permission from Hasbro, and I doubt they'd grant it. --JohnDBuell 01:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Just thought you guys should know, someone vandalized the page. there's an obscenity in the opening paragraphs. Wasn't me, promise.

List of languages that monopoly has versions in

I think there should be a list of languages that it is possible to play monopology in.

Such a list can more or less be inferred from Localized versions of the Monopoly game. --JohnDBuell 14:14, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Go to jail

In a 1980s Finnish translation of Monopoly, one of the "go to jail" cards actually reads "mene vankilaani". The extra i causes this to actually mean "go to my jail". JIP | Talk 11:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Doubles from Jail

Rolling doubles from jail does not mean that a player has the highest likelihood of landing on St. James Place or Tenesee Ave. (North American version). When talking about rolling doubles, each pair has an equal probability of occuring. Therefore, a player exiting jail on a double roll has an equal (1/6) probability of landing on Electric Company, or Virginia Ave., or St. James Place, or Tenesee Ave., or Free Parking, or Chance. So, it's not that a 6 or 8 has the highest probability of being rolled, just that the orange properties have the highest probability of being landed on (2/6 or 1/3), because there are two which have the possibility of being landed on by exiting Jail. Does anyone else agree with me?

In addition, if you choose the fact that the player may choose to pay a fine, then the Community Chest has the greatest probability of being landed on. Just a thought.

That is true. When rolling two dice without restrictions, there are 36 possibilities. 6 (or 1/6) of them lead to 7, whereas only 1 (or 1/36) leads to 2 or 12. But if you impose a restriction that it has to be a double, then you're effectively only rolling a single die, only moving double the steps. So your reasoning is correct. JIP | Talk 20:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Monopoly

Do Parker Brothers have a Monopoly on Monopoly?

Hasbro does, yes. They own several of the related trademarks. But other companies are free to make similar games. It's all covered in the History of the board game Monopoly article. --JohnDBuell 23:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Probability of landing on "Park Place"

As illustrated by the table, seven is the most probable roll, occurring 6 out of 36 times whereas 2 and 12 are the least probable rolls, each occurring once every 36 rolls. For this reason, Park Place is one of the least landed-on squares as the square seven places behind it is "Go to Jail".

"Go to Jail" is after "Park Place", not before, so why should this have influence on wether or not the player lands on "Park Place"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CutterX (talk • contribs) 16:01, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

Umm, go look at the board, "Go to Jail" is before "Park Place". It is in the corner space between the yellow and green properties. --Holderca1 14:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Copy

I think that people could copy the representation of the board into Microsoft Word, then create their own Monopoly Board. -Kennercat 8:03 AM 10 December 06

It wouldn't be very evenly spaced out, and people were making their own copies for personal use a hundred years ago (which is why Hasbro now can really only enforce trademarks, not copyrights). --JohnDBuell 15:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a playboy article on strategy in this game, that nobody referenced...

Sorry to point this out, but a stray playboy article does say that the way to win in monopoly is to buy cheap properties, build houses, but no hotels. Thus creating a "monopoly". -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 09:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC) (don't even ask me to provide references, the fact is clear on its face, but in some issue of playboy this was revealed to me, so I will bet dollars to donuts it can be verified)

Oops. Forgot to mention the idea is that the rules of Monopoly gainsay buying hotels before building four houses, and if you have built 16 houses, no 17th house is available for construction... -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. 09:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT a strategy guide. Despite the fact there's a brief strategy section, that's NOT the bulk of the article. And at any rate I think we'd stick to the strategies published by Phil Orbanes, Gyles Brandreth and Alan Axelrod, which are verifiable. --JohnDBuell 13:05, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

He/She - Gender in the 'Official rules' section

is He/She really necessary in this section? KungFuMonkey 03:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Two board variant

Not sure if its common/notable enough, but over the holidays we often play by house rules that introduces a second board when playing with 8-12 or so players (at the least the second board being a localised variant, so you have two seperate sets of property for each colour), with the two 'Go' spaces overlapping and the boards forming a figure 8. Didn't see anything similar in the house rules so if anyone else plays this variant maybe its worth adding to the list. -- 86.128.50.181 14:48, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

New to me but what a good idea! -- Derek Ross | Talk 19:10, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Somehow, the History of Monopoly article is now linked to a picture of penises. I can't figure out how to fix it. Anyone?

It's the featured article of the day, and thus an instant target of vandalism. Yesterday's and tomorrow's articles will suffer similar fates. Best to let it blow over and let the anti-vandal patrols work on it. --JohnDBuell 21:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Double rent

This article makes no mention of the fact (I'm fairly sure) that rent for a property (undeveloped) doubles if all the properties of that set are owned. I'm not sure the best way to add this in, either as part of the rent table or just as a comment, so I'll leave it for now. Rawling 12:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

That is entirely true by the rules. Your guess is as good as mine for working it into the text. --JohnDBuell 15:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Monopoly Is Evil

This game is evil, I got kicked out of my house because of a game of Monopoly, and it's gotten me beat up over too.--User:67.174.128.249|67.174.128.249]]

Okay, thats nice, but who really cares? Were here to talk about the article, and if you dont have anything to say about it, than dont say anything at all.. Chara Joy Is My Fate 06:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

game-guide info in a FA???

ok... i contribute a lot to video game aticles and it's a constant battle with trying to keep out overly-specific info. In fact articles are often put up for AfD just because of that. How is it that this article can have a full list of the properties with their costs, rents, mortgages, etc. and be considered an FA? there certainly seems to be a double standard out there for people who don't like the idea of video game related articles reaching FA status. -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 11:08, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

In this case there's significant historical and cultural importance, as the Atlantic City edition has been the one best known throughout the United States and Canada over the last seventy years, and the London-based board is the one best known throughout most of the rest of the English speaking world over that same span. Now granted, some of the statistical information and discussion of the rules could likely be forked into a new article (Monopoly gameplay or something), or cast off to wikia.... --JohnDBuell 16:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

i agree that there is definitly historical and cultural significance, but not about the fact that the railroads cost $200. I appreciate your honesty that this info shouldn't be here, and it saddens me that there seems to be a double standard out there because this article was able to reach FA status while keeping this obviously subpar material that went against an oft cited example of WP:NOT. Pokémon is easily almost as significant in terms of global ubiquity and is only usurped by the fact that Monopoly has been around longer, but do you think that anyone would allow all 493 articles to give a full list of that pokémon's statistics much in the same way each property is unneccesarily dissected? -ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 15:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I just yanked the "Properties in detail" section - about the only thing it added was the change of South Carolina Avenue to North Carolina Avenue. A lot of the rest of the article that remains discusses cultural differences in different editions (US vs UK for example) and items such as the strategy section mirror that of Chess. --JohnDBuell 17:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Boards?

I would argue that the various text versions of the game boards in this article are really a waste of space. If the board design isn't copyright (I assume it is), a scan of the board, or diagram could easily be added as an image, zoomable if someone wants to see the board. It takes up an entire screen and isn't necessary to be in the text (nor do we need to see the board of the british or other variants) TheHYPO 15:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

If someone can find a good way to scale such a board (where are our good SVG authors? :), I think you'd be right. Yes, the design of the board is protected under copyright and trademark law, which is why there has only been a text/template version here. However, British and Commonwealth residents would argue AGAINST omission of "their" board, as the Atlantic City board is mostly only known in the United States and Canada, and NOT the rest of the English-speaking world. --JohnDBuell 17:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
My question is, does copyright for some reason not apply to a text representation any more than a png diagram of the same text edition? or does copyright not apply to that any more than an actual photo of the board?. As for which board to show, My basis is to post the standard, original version. I have no problem with a similar image of the UK board, if that's so global, but both, if not one, in text form just bloats the article significantly. A mention of the wide variety of editions, including the British standard board would be sufficient for me, but if people think that should be in there in such detail, that's fine too TheHYPO 15:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
IANAL. I think what is more important here is trademark law, which protects the particular graphics (lightbulb, water spigot, GO and arrow symbol, cop, jail bars, etc) but does NOT necessarily apply to a text representation. So simply turning the table into a square SVG file should be fine. --JohnDBuell 00:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't argue the need for the Monopoly board diagram, but rather some of its colors. On the American/Atlantic City board, the Vermont/Connecticut/Oriental block is more "Sky Blue" than Cyan. The reason this becomes important is because the game's "non-colored" spaces are printed in an equally soft Cyan color. I also felt that the Mediterranean/Baltic block should be a darker purple in order to reduce confusion with its St. Charles/States/Virginia (Light Purple) counterpart. -- 141.225.192.236 03:05, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Mascot

Why is there absolutely no mention of Rich Uncle Pennybags/Mr. Monopoly? I came to this article specifically looking for the name of this mascot character, and it took me like ten minutes to find it through a backdoor. Ridiculous! -leigh (φθόγγος) 05:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Length of game

Is 6 hours for a game of monopoly, played by the rules, realistic at all?

I read somewhere that an analysis of the cards, frequency of passing go, etc, yeilded that $33 was added to the game each time someone rolled the dice. In contrast, any building operation (adding houses/hotels) removes 50%, and even purchasing property removes 50% (with another 10% gone if you un-morgage the property later).

The only time I've seen a long game was a pathetic edge case -- one person had all 4 railroads and 2 utilities, and while there were complete color groups, no player had enough money to build houses -- so the railroad/utility player was taking the "go" money as fast as the other players were earning, but no one was getting any closer to bankruptcy. Other than odd cases like that (that one game), I've never seen a game where at least one color group did not get the three houses needed to bring the game to a close.

Now, things like "free parking money" can easily make the game go forever -- heck, I've played some games like that. --Keybounce 06:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that the length of the game has more to do with the experience of the player(s), number of players and how many house rules are used. I generally have had longer games when it's just two players, rather than starting with 3-5 and bankrupting opponents along the way. --JohnDBuell 09:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Housing shortage

The importance of limited housing, and the effect of auctioning the housing when demand exceeds supply, is very important in the close games I've played, yet is not even mentioned in the article. I know, wiki isn't an instruction manual or strategy guide, but shouldn't this at least be mentioned for its importance? --Keybounce 06:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

If you think it can be added without breaking the WP:NOT rules or making an overly long "list of strategies" feel free! --JohnDBuell 09:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Theme versions

Should we also mention some other theme variation versions like NHL and Sponge Bob Squarepants? They are essentially the same board but with different location names and house design. OhanaUnited 05:51, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

There was, but it became a victim of nasty listcruft. Everybody wanted to add their own favorite version, or home town to the list, including non-Hasbro sanctioned edititions. That's why they've been forked into the localized lists (for mostly the real geographic places) and the licensed lists (for the other spinoffs, like Spongebob, Star Wars, etc, with box lid art displayed). --JohnDBuell 12:07, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

World Championship

I read somewhere (yes that's a bit vague sorry) That there's a world championship of Monopoly? If so, shouldn't it be mentioned in this article? Mglovesfun 23:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there is, it's next scheduled for 2008. It's covered with some detail in the History of the board game Monopoly article. --JohnDBuell 22:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

New Speed Die Edition

This just in...the Speed Die from Mega Monopoly is being included in newer versions of the standard game. This should be mentioned in the article, yes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.243.26.108 (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

The Speed Die was new to only the Mega Edition. If other editions have used it or WILL use it, we need a verifiable source. Press releases from Hasbro or Winning Moves Games would be most appropriate. --JohnDBuell 22:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Auctioning Property

Can somebody add something to house rules how many "casual players" completely disregard the fact that if a player chooses not to buy a property it is auctioned. Instead they just say "nobody buys it".

If it's been published elsewhere, sure. The article was getting ridiculous with every house rule everyone ever thought of being added to the list. --JohnDBuell 01:30, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Pub crawl/tube game

No mention of the Monopoly Pub Crawl Jooler 16:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Australia's Regional Version Voting

The votes have finished for the places used in the Australian version. It's worth updating the section with that, it might also be worth mentioning that the votes were hilariously rigged - South Australia got more votes than all the other states combined. I couldn't find an online source but the print version of the Adelaide paper The Advertiser ran a cover story on the vote stuffing today, on 7th June. 121.45.169.100 11:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Cheating

The article is all wrong. The entire point of Monopoly is to test one's ability to cheat. There are several cheating methods:

1) Stealing money from the bank, or better yet, other players

2) Giving someone the wrong ammount of change

3) "Forgetting" certaint rules (e.g. free parking, rolling doubles)

4) Ripping people off when making deals

5) "Manipulating" the dice

6) Crying

7)Throwing the board across the room when you're about to lose

I suggest that these and other methods be added to the "Strategy" section. Would the game really be any fun if you didn't cheat? 12va34 03:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. TCC (talk) (contribs) 18:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


No it's not. without cheating, the game can take days to finish. It ceases to be fun and turns ino a game of "who can land on Free Parking first". Cheating is widely accepted as being a part of Monopoly. It deserves it's own section in the article. 12va34 20:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Not true. If you play by the real rules, the game shouldn't take forever to finish. If you play with free parking, you ensure that money basically never leaves the game. As such, when everyone's rich, it's much harder to bankrupt players. Additionally, if everyone has a lot of money, it's harder to make deals, because if everyone can build up their monopolies completely, there is no point to not going for the highest-valued group.
But back to the point at hand, I've never seen an article discussing cheating as being integral to the game. I know I have a book on my shelf, Orbanes's The Monopoly Companion (1999), that has a chapter on strategy. I'll see what I can work in from that. RJaguar3 | u | t 17:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
I remember a National Lampoon article back in the '70s that was a "Monopoly Cheating Kit", including the new property "Steel Pier" that you were supposed to secretly put on the board with rubber cement on top of a less favorable space like "Income Tax" when you land on it. *Dan T.* 23:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
There is a game in which the object is to cheat and to spot your opponents cheating. It's a card game and, surprise, surprise, one of its many names is Cheat. Monopoly it isn't. -- Derek Ross | Talk 00:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

"Go" in German version

On German boards, the "Go" space is named Los, which can also mean "Bonus" or "Prize."

I deleted the above line, since the German word "Los" does not mean bonus or prize. Although it can translate as "lot", such an interpretation is rather unlikely. Dagonet 21:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

What a shame that Germany isn't in America, because then your comment would be relevant. 75.3.231.89 01:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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Featured status

Please do not removed the featured status template from this article or from the articlehistory. Featured status can only be conferred by community consensus and Raul654 at WP:FAC, and can only be removed at WP:FAR. Individual editors do not confer or remove featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

The parent company has been vandalized in the History section. Can someone revert? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrettxPW (talk • contribs) 17:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

English board?

The picture in question
The picture in question

Shouldn't the picture of the board be an American one? I really think so, so I'll replace it when I can if no one does before me. If you have an arugement, leave it here. - ~VNinja~ 22:48, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Why? This game is produced in many versions in many countries, one version is as good as any other. Besides, you have to look close to see which version it is. (BTW the prices are in DM, which makes it an out-of-date German version.)
If you really want an "English board", that would be one with names from "Old Kent Road" to "Mayfair", with prices in £! :-) TiffaF (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I believe what you really want is a board with the last property being Boardwalk, with prices in $! --Pikachu of the Monopoly game 15:32, 26 January 2008 (UTC) It's me, PrincessKirlia. How do you like my new signature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PrincessKirlia (talk • contribs)

Go, jail, go to jail

It may just be the flu, but I got very confused with the list of squares. Maybe it's because we always call "Go" start, but "Go, jail" seemed to me to be missing the "to" and by the time I'd worked out what it was supposed to say I'd forgotten why I was reading the article.

So, I put in "and the four corner squares:" as a prefix to the list, go, jail, free parking and "Go to jail". My other thought was to say: "Go (the starting square), jail, "Free parking", and "Go to jail".

Ah, I remember, why I was reading it. 212.139.103.106 (talk) 16:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)