Talk:Mongolian armour

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[edit] Teutonic Knights

If you study about the Mongol wars you will read that the bows the Mongol's used were quite capable of piercing the armor worn by the Chinese, Koreans, Japaneses and the Mongol's themselves, Asian lammelar and briganine armor would not stop arrows fired from a Mongol composite bow.

The Turk's used a form of chain-mail, and this armor was very light compaired to western mail, But despite this fact Turkish mail stopped most arrows fired by the Mongols.

The Turk's also had their own style of Lammelar armor that the Mongol bow was quite useless against.

The Byzantine Lammelar armor was the best in the world, and Mongol bows were totally useless against it.

When the Mongols fought the Teutonic Knight's the Mongol bows were totally useless against European mail, especially the high quailty armor worn by the Knight's.

The Mongols used their horse archer's to lure and distract their Germanic and Russian enemies, and then after they lured them out used their vast numbers to cut the Knights down and then surround the infantry with massive light cavalry charges.

The Mongols used their sheer numbers and advanced battle tactics to beat the Turks and European's, as their equipment was nowhere near the quality the western and middle-eastern nations were using.

I'm not sure where you got your info but they got it totally backwards from how it really was.

The only "Bow" the Mongols had that could pierce even light mail was a crossbow, and the Mongol's even upgraded their crossbow's to a more powerful version after facing European Knights.

the only "Bow" that could efecctively pierce heavy armor was the Welsh/English longbow, and that was because of the arrow heads not the actual bow, and the Mongols did not use bodkin or conical arrow heads, so pierceing Mail or plate armor with just a bow was difficult.

If you fired one from near point blank range you 'might' pierce the mail...

But you would have to get way to close to a lance or sword for comfort... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.187.111.216 (talk) 20:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mongol bow vs. mail

Please see the mail (armour) page. European mail was sufficient against European bows with 140-180 lbs draws and the Mongols enemies continued to use mail even after being attacked by the Mongols. As such I seriously doubt this particular claim. Please provide citations to back it up. Mercutio.Wilder 16:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Preference for lighter armour?

As I added to the article the "preference" for lighter armour is likely the result of manufacturing limitations. The Arabs and Japanese horse archers, who used the same mode of combat, had much heavier armour and came from societies with much greater manufacturing potential. Mercutio.Wilder 16:04, 11 August 2007 (UTC)