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[edit] Merge proposal

• Weak oppose. Concerning the idea of merging Mongol raids into Palestine into this article, I am opposed to the idea, since, well, Palestine isn't Syria. There seems to be enough information on the raids, especially about the rumors related to them, that it deserves its own article. That said, I'm open to reasoning on why it might be a good idea. --Elonka 20:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought that Syria was sometimes used as a catch-all term for the Levant in medieval historiography, similar to Outremer. Is Syria part of the Levant? Srnec 02:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, I'm not an expert on the exact borders of Syria, but can check into it. The Mongol invasions of Syria article is actually new. We'd just had Mongol invasion of Syria (1299), and then I'd moved it to the more general title since it seemed more applicable. As for the definition of Syria, from what I've been reading, the battles in Aleppo and Damascus are indeed sometimes referred to as "Northern Syria" (Syrie du Nord), so you're probably right. But would "Syria" be defined all the way down to Gaza? That's what I'm fuzzy about. Also, I ran across an article in the Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society (1987, Reuven Amitai)[1] which is specifically titled "Mongol Raids into Palestine (1260 and 1300)", which is why I think that Palestine is a better title for the particular area that we're talking about. I could really go either way, but if I had to choose, I'd rather keep the "Raids into Palestine" title since I think it's better focused (and the expansion prospects are looking good, once I track down that JRAS article again). But if more editors think that it'd be better to put the info into Mongol invasions of Syria, I could go along with that. --Elonka 03:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Palestine does not cover Syria, so if it turns out that Syria can describe the whole region, then I support that title. However, if it does not, then we must find another title entirely or keep two distinct articles. I think one article would be ideal if we can find the best title. Srnec 03:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I checked a "historical atlas" today, and it showed Syria at that time extending as far south as Galilee (where the Battle of Ain Jalut took place), just north of Jerusalem. So I'm still in support of having two articles: Mongol invasions of Syria and Mongol raids into Palestine, but I'm also still open to hearing other editors' opinions on the matter. --Elonka 08:39, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Clearly, Syria is not the same thing as Palestine (even if ancient borders are a little bit less clear than today). As far as I know, the only title that could cover both areas is something like "Mongols invasions of the Levant". And of course "Mongol raids on Jerusalem" has nothing to do with "Mongol invasions of Syria", so I think that merge notice is irrelevant. Regards. PHG 07:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

But I think that there is one historical term for the region the Mongols raided in and it is Syria. Northern Palestine was then a part of "Syria". Srnec 04:49, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

The Mongols raided as far as Gaza, which was definitely not in Syria. --Elonka 05:20, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I concede, issue settled amicably. Srnec 02:33, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mongol invasion of Syria in 1253

I added the fact about Mongol raid on Syria in 1253. If you really like the history of mongol empire esp. Mamluk-Ilkhanid war, you should know about it. Enerelt 02:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)