Talk:Moneybookers
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"The principal security hole of this service is an inability to verify credit cards safely." This (approximately) was the second of the two sentences which comprised the first revision. It was written by an anonymous user. I can't find any evidence of this. Perhaps the anon had an axe to grind? Pending evidence, I've deleted it. Tualha (Talk) 15:21, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- I don't even know what it means by "verify"? Evercat 11:49, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
I removed the following edit:
- Ebay has previously stated that it is just a venue. After acquiring paypal it has become more than a venue by listing in auctions whether the buyer accepts paypal (no other payment options listed) and allowing buyers to sort by paypal. In August 2005, it required that sellers who take paypal not refuse credit card payments, which result in fees and may result in chargebacks due to credit card and other buyer fraud. Beginning in January 2006, ebay now prohibits any online payment system except Paypal, as stated here. Ebay deceptively gives bidpay.com as an alternative, but bidpay has already gone out of business. This singularly requires that online payments through ebay must use ebay's system. Issues of illegality and antitrust have been raised over this decision. [1] Ebay specifically prohibits E-gold, a legitimate competitor to Paypal.
- Based on ebay's policy, here, a seller can have their account banned for accepting payment through Moneybookers.
Please feel free to reinsert it after it's been toned down from being an anti-eBay rant to being something close to what you'd read in an encyclopedia. kmccoy (talk) 01:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
- I've done some editing. Anyone who feels it still needs more but does not want to edit it, please specific which sentences so it's easier to figure out what you wish. Thank you. DyslexicEditor 02:38, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm of the opinion that the entire paragraph should be struck. The title is too long and the whole section is principally about Paypal, not Moneybookers. The tone is whiny and it generally comes off as complaining that Moneybookers has been shut out of a lucrative market. Your edits did litle to address the general negative tone of the section. Jasongetsdown 22:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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- Let's work together on revising it, but keeping the basic information. DyslexicEditor 22:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Moneybookers won't refund stolen money
Could an established user please add to the "Major drawbacks as reported by users include:" section that Moneybookers refuse to refund money stolen from an account by criminals. We recently lost £450.07 in 4 Send Money transactions to moneybookers@pay-pro.com and multipurposeadmin@spidernet.com.cy on 24 and 25 April 2008. This cleared the account. Maybe they hacked the login, maybe it was an inside job, moneybookers aren't saying. All they said was "Unfortunately the hacked ammount cannot be refunded - we are really sorry for the inconvenience caused."
[edit] Moneybookers and E-bay
Ok, so I've removed it again pending a reworking. Here is the chunk as it stood...
[edit] Ebay prohibits buyers and sellers from using moneybookers for its auctions
Ebay has previously stated that it is just a venue. After acquiring paypal it has become more than a venue by listing in auctions whether the buyer accepts paypal (no other payment options listed) and allowing buyers to sort by paypal. Next, sellers with Paypal accounts that have issues such as chargebacks or stolen cards from buyers result in their ebay accounts being closed as well. In August 2005, it required that sellers who take paypal not refuse credit card payments, which result in fees. [1] Beginning in January 2006, ebay now prohibits any online payment system except Paypal, as stated here. Ebay only gives Bidpay.com as its alternative, a company that has already gone out of business before the policy. This singularly requires that online payments through ebay must use ebay's system, paypal. Questions of illegality and antitrust have been raised over this new rule. Ebay specifically prohibits E-gold, a legitimate competitor to Paypal.
Based on ebay's policy, here, a seller can have their account banned for accepting payment through Moneybookers.
If something must be included I would revise it to something like the following...
Beginning January 2006, ebay's Safe Payments Policy prohibits the use of Moneybookers for auction payments [2]. Based on ebay's policy a seller can have their account banned for accepting payment through Moneybookers.
Even in this abbreviated form I still do not think this is relevant information, especially considering that the policy makes no mention of moneybookers and is far from exclusive in its list of allowable payment options. It is simply not NPOV.
If the only reason that moneybookers is not allowed is that ebay owns Paypal then there is no reason for this here. If it was prohibited because of questions about its security or reliability then I could see it getting a mention. Jasongetsdown 18:45, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
The smaller version is more precise, but it needs to explain why. Ebay of course never says they're prohibiting everything except paypal because they own paypal. They claim it's for safety reasons and what not. So Jasongetsdown, Ebay says it's security or reliability. But most people think it's because ebay owns paypal. DyslexicEditor 08:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
- Why don't we say this then, DyslexicEditor...
As a result of ebay's purchase of Paypal, beginning xxxx 2005 ebay's Safe Payments Policy prohibits the use of Moneybookers and some similar services for auction payments [3]. Based on ebay's policy a seller can have their account banned for accepting payment through Moneybookers.
- Also, it would appear that the "ban" started before this month [4]. Can you pin down the date that the policy changed? The linked post is from october, shall we go with that? Jasongetsdown 15:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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- First, I need to correct the date. It's 2006. The whole rule is right here. http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/safe-payments-policy.html That's the whole thing. It starts on the 15th of January, 2006. Reports from earlier were just because people heard about it. I believe ebay announced it, but their help system can not find this URL at all so the information is kind of hidden. But welp, it starts the 15th of this month and that URL is the whole policy. And I suppose that description is good enough. They trimmed it up in the egold article from what I put, too. DyslexicEditor 18:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
September 2006. The links above take you to the ebay policy "Accepted Payments" At the bottom of that policy is a box which says "Some examples" Clicking on this gives a range of payment examples which are and are not permitted. Moneybookers is in the permitted section.
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- I've made the changes per our discussion. Thnx for being constructive. Jasongetsdown 15:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] straight poop
Ok, someone added this...
However, according to ebay Canada's country manager Jordan Banks Moneybookers is still an acceptable form of payment.
...And now I'm confused. I've asked eBay support for the official line. They should be getting back to me in a bit. Jasongetsdown 14:44, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Ebay's told me no many times. DyslexicEditor 01:07, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
- They told me no as well. I've been busy so I didn't get back to this. I'm removing that line. There's sufficient evidence to show its not true. Jasongetsdown 17:47, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] currency list
The previous list's ordering was highly inconsistent. The currencies were ordered alphabetically by currency name, except for dollar and krone which were ordered by country (interspersed between the others), except for koruna, where the countries were given in brackets. I have changed this.
[edit] Ebay now accepts moneybookers.com
as stated at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/accepted-payments-policy.html -- (James McNally) (talkpage) 02:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Specify time period please
"Moneybookers claim to have over 2.4 million users and processed over €2,000 million in transactions" - is this per year, per day? --Cryout 07:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Their turnover and member numbers are since inception. --trademe 14:23, 23 January 2007 (NZDT)
[edit] Currency conversion fee between USD, GBP and EUR is 0.95%
anyone can explain this fee, by using an example? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nkour (talk • contribs) 23:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Affiliate spamming of Moneybookers
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Please remove Affiliate spamming, thanks --Hu12 (talk) 20:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Moneybookers impostors scam - Buyer Beware!!!
I find it interesting that this page has been locked for editing, yet requests source information. The following is an article from the Baltimore Sun, a credible news outlet.
Car Bargains Used in Wire Payment Fraud
If someone overseas is offering to sell you a popular car for less than its Kelley Blue Book value, don't get rolled over, the Better Business Bureau of Greater Maryland warned.
Advertising such cars through online classifieds and trade magazines, scam artists pose as sellers from outside the country. To give the buyer a false sense of security, the seller claims the transaction will be completed through Moneybookers.com, which is a United Kingdom-based service that is similar to PayPal.com.
Follow-up e-mail messages from the seller are drafted to appear to be from Moneybookers. Buyers are then asked to send a fully insured and refundable 30 percent down payment on the car and they're instructed to wire the money to the seller in London, contrary to Moneybookers' policies.
The BBB warned that this scam has developed into a multilevel strategy in which consumers are sent e-mail modeled after the Moneybookers format. Links to online chats with scammers posing as Moneybookers reps are included in the e-mail to lure unsuspecting buyers.
The scam has been so successful that documented reports to the BBB have shown that some eager buyers lost thousands - and then sent an additional 30 percent to the scam artists.
When it comes to sending money via wire services, take Western Union's advice: The Western Union Money Transfer Service is not intended to send money to someone you don't know. Americanpooje (talk) 22:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
- It is protected, but only for those people who are not logged in or if logged in, but their account is less than 4 days old. Since you just created your account today, you will be unable to edit this article until sometime on 22 April. If you believe something should be in the article, put a draft here on the talk page and other editors will be along, review, help make better and maybe insert into the article. Please ensure that the text you want to put in is written in a neutral point of view with reliable sources so the information can be verified. If I can be of any assistance let me know, either here or on my talk page. Jons63 (talk) 22:49, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Type
Moneybookers is a payment service as well as a money transfer service - can someone edit the type definition in the box at the top of the page to read 'Online Payment and Money Transfer Service'? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobyjwalsh (talk • contribs) 11:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Parent company
The parent company of Moneybookers is now 'Investcorp Technology Partners' - this needs to be amended as is it currently reads Gatcombe which is a factual error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobyjwalsh (talk • contribs) 11:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
