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[edit] The Bible Mondegreen

I am the contributor who added the apparent Bible mondegreen. I don't mind the additional information that has been added, but the text that was omitted carried my point: That the onlookers mistook Jesus' words for calling to Elijah. without that part the very point I was trying to make, is lost. :( Dougie monty 07:26, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I added a {{Fact}} to the sentence When Jesus said "Eli" or "Eloi," both meaning "my God" as in Psalms, the onlookers misunderstood this to mean "Elijah." I see no reason why onlookers would hear either "Eli" or "Eloi" and think, "Jesus must mean 'Eliahu'." The name "Eliahu" is too different from "Eli" or "Eloi" to make this plausible. So, any citation offered had better be pretty credible. Anomalocaris (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The citation I mustered is Verses 35 and 36 in Mark Chapter 15. Remember--we don't know that the onlookers who said this even spoke Hebrew or Aramaic--Pilate's sign was after all in three languages. And that last vowel sound in "Eliahu" was often added by the Jewish scribes in the Old Testament to hide the allusion to the divine name. Dougie monty (talk) 06:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Dougie: I agree with you that Mark 15:34-35 supports the claim that (according to the Gospel of Mark) bystanders heard Jesus say something that began "Eloi" and misheard that as referring to Elijah. However, this does not qualify as a Mondegreen. A Mondegreen is a series of words in the mind of the listener that replaces a series of spoken words. It would be a Mondegreen if the Gospel of Mark 15 went as follows:
34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Lama Sabachthani?"—which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"
35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, "Listen, he's said "Eloila Masabach Thani . . ."
(These last three words are just made up and not intended to be actual Hebrew or Aramaic.) If the Gospel of Mark went this way, it would be a Mondegreen. Instead, the Gospel of Mark simply says that the bystanders didn't understand Jesus' utterance at all, and thought they heard Jesus utter the name of Elijah.
Therefore, I am removing this example from the page.
Finally, I strongly disagree with you that the last vowel, or last syllable, of Hebrew Bible names ending in "hu" was added by scribes to hide the allusion to the divine name. In Hebrew names ending "hu" the syllable "hu" is the Hebrew word meaning "he" and is the subject of a short sentence. For example, Eliahu = Eli + a + hu = my god + connective vowel + he = "he is my god." Anomalocaris (talk) 18:53, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fat Man, Discuss

Fat Man, do not remove sourced items. And justify your proposed wholesale changes here before you go ahead. You must discuss with other editors. 62.64.213.138 (talk) 16:31, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Which sourced items did I remove? And more importantly, why did you restore all the unsourced items?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 06:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I see you're still reverting my changes. I've asked for outside input at WP:3O and WP:RSN.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 17:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Third Party Opinion -- Initiated

Truth be told, "Friends, the TV show" is a poor citation. It's not a poor references, but without an episode name, it's a poor ciation of what may perhaps be a good reference. With all that is in Wikiedia without any reference at all, it's surprising that there are some who will remove uncontroversial things (without reference, or proper reference) without initially marking it as verification needed or something along those lines. Let's not become too pedantic over this. DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 04:25, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, reference to a tv episode is a source. The information doesn't have to have been sucked into a book first. That said the citation should be more specific. And editors should be given the chance to improve the citation first. 62.64.208.209 (talk) 12:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Some of the references are still lousy; but you're right that this is relatively easy to fix, if someone spends some time. Perhaps the greater problem is that the pop culture reference currently overwhelms the article, a problem that only gets worse as the. For now, I'm going to weed out a few examples with egregiously lacking or misleading references, but utlimately I'd like to drastically prune or eliminate the "Examples" section altogether (I won't do this myself, until we generate consensus on the matter). Any especially complleing examples can be incorporated into the main body of the text, IMO.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back (talk) 01:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] In Music

* An popular parody of a Polish black metal band Behemoth can be found on YouTube[2]. It sports mixed Polish-English mishearings, accompanied by a subtitled edit of the original music video that perfectly parodies the dark and heavy atmosphere of the original song.

This reads as an advertisement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.43.25 (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

What about TLC's song Waterfalls? "Don't go chasing waterfalls"/"Don't go Jason Waterfalls". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.62.8.173 (talk) 22:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New word coined in Berlitz reference!

Under the heading "External links," it says that Richie Valens' song "La Bamba" was "flasly translated to English." I have read four Berlitz self-teacher books and never found the word "flasly." It isn't in my Webster's Dictionary either. What does it mean? And it's certainly no mondegreen... Dougie monty (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Close Encounters of the third kind

Some nice guy removed my entry, which was about a mondegreen in this movie. Since this is a page about mondegreens, I can't understand why it was removed. I know that everybody can edit Wikipedia, but I think it's good education to contact the author first.--Gspinoza (talk) 13:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the answer to that is right there on the edit page itself, the warning "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it.". So no, most edits don't require the editor to seek permission to change existing text. (In the case of a substantial change involving a significant amount of text, or one that significantly changes the meaning of an article, then yes, it's a good thing to hash things out on a discussion page first.) Basically, the item you added was not a good example, compared to most of the ones in the article. And yes, there is still a good deal of flotsam and jetsam in the article that needs to be weeded out, so don't feel as if you're being singled out here. +ILike2BeAnonymous (talk) 19:15, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Maybe it was not a good example for you. But you are not the whole world. --Gspinoza (talk) 15:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
I think that if you want to wait for others to comment, you'll find that most other editors here would agree with me. +ILike2BeAnonymous (talk) 19:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] True (but unverifiable)

A fan of Siouxsie and the Banshees, upon first hearing the latest single, was convinced that Siouxsie was extolling the listener to "EeAAAaaaaaaaat cat poo"! (Peek-a-Boo (song)). Sadly, even without WP:EL spoiling things, the website got taken down a few years ago... LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:27, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced Original Research about fried chicken

My objection to your repeated attempts to include fried chicken information are based on this portion of the Wikipedia policy of No Original Research. I will give you another day to come up with a source that makes the analysis before I revert it, but I am going to tag it now. TheRedPenOfDoom (talk) 18:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] what the... how there isnt reference to catcher in the rye?

yow know. i wanna be the catcher. when it is catch her. its quite important mondegreen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.149.157 (talk) 20:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)