Talk:Molotov (band)

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[edit] Corretion

corrected inormation about a Molotov song apearing in Amores Perros, changed to the most famous movie Y tu mama tambien iab 12/27/06 4:00 pm gmt

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.40.192.30 (talk) 23:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] NPOV, Need for Citations in Biography section

Does anyone agree that the Biography section needs to be edited?

"Molotov's debut album ¿Dónde Jugarán Las Niñas? was a massive success both in Spanish and English speaking countries." --is "massive" neutral?

"However, their lyrics, mostly a mix of politics, sex and Hispanic slang meant they were banned in their home country of Mexico and faced a lawsuit from Spain." --citation?

"To underscore this aspect, the cover features a woman's legs seductively displayed in school uniform." --is this relevant?

"Indeed, the cover resulted in a lawsuit from a Catholic school who claimed that the school uniform worn by the woman on the cover was an exact match to their own uniform." --citation? is this even relevant?

"The band also faced a further hurdle when one of their songs was misinterpreted as a slur against homosexuals. The song Puto (Spanish profane word for a gay male, or silmilar like American slang "faggot"/ literally man-whore) was actually supposed to be about those who will not stand up for themselves. However, this information was not widely circulated until later. The result was that Molotov's first tour in Germany was met by crowds of angry gays and lesbians with their arms folded." --citations?

"Despite these initial problems, the band pulled itself together leaving its more major controversies behind." --neutral? Andy 09:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the article is pretty sloppy. It needs to be de-"fandalized". Molotov wasn't "banned" in Mexico, but they couldn't get any radio or TV airplay due to their lyrics. The cover of the first CD was part of the reason they were so stigmatized, so it is relevant. I don't know about the Catholic school lawsuit though. Its news to me. The "misinterpretation" was actually a valid interpretation (the song is called Puto, for heaven's sake), and there was uproar among Spain's gay community (which isn't repressed, like Mexico's, and actually stands up to insults, I might add). I remember reading an article about it on a Spanish website. The last one...what can I say? Sounds more like someone's opinion than anything else. I've got some old Al Borde magazines, so I'll put this article on my list of things to do. In the meantime, feel free to edit out the most egregious stuff. Cool?--Rockero 09:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
But let´s also remember that in Mexico Homophobic slurs like "puto" or "marica" are also slurs referring to "lack of manhood" i.e. cowardice and cheating. In fact, the songs lyrics are quite clear that it refers to this. I have made a small change to the article referencing this.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.240.253.118 (talk • contribs)
They are called albures, and they are verbal challenges to a man's masculinity. I don't see how this gives them two meanings...--Rockero 21:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About their first CD Cover....

Yes it was part of the problem of their CD being banned, they even had to sell their cd's on the street (even tought this was a publicity stunt more than anything). Besides to the high school uniform (implying being underage), the girl in the cover has her panties down to the middle of her legs wich made the censorship problem even bigger.

[edit] Biography

The Biography section is a mess, it looks like someone used a translator, i'll try to find time to edit it, but any help would be greatly apreciated. I'll add this article to my watch lsit. Vicco Lizcano 19:10, 22 March 2007 (UTC) (Tell me where I'm wrong)

I did the first half of it sort of but it's hell. I'll help out if you start doing it. -Solid Reign 06:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I edited the Bio section, I think the article needs more sources for some sentences... I haven't checked the spanish article, but maybe we can find some there. I'll check it later to see if there's something else I can help with.Vicco Lizcano 17:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC) (Tell me where I'm wrong)
I just checked the spanish article, and yes, most of the messy bio was (poorly) tranlated from there, there's also lots of info, but sadly, no more sources than in this article... Vicco Lizcano 17:10, 23 March 2007 (UTC) (Tell me where I'm wrong)

eeep, the biography section is indeed very sloppy. I'm gonna see if I can edit something myself TheHighwaySong 14:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC)TheHighwaySong

[edit] Trivia

I kinda dont think this section is needed, its not really any trivia, just stuff that has been included in movies and such TheHighwaySong 15:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)TheHighwaySong

[edit] "With their arms folded?"

Um, in the line about their first concert in Germany, the statement about the gay and lesbian protestors having their arms crossed comes off as a bit patronizing. I'm going to remove it.

171.65.83.70 11:45, 13 November 2007 (UTC)