Talk:Molokan
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[edit] Introduction
The Molokans (Russian: Молока́не) are a "Biblically-centered" sectarian religious movement
To me, this phrase has a clearly anti-Molokan bias, and is therefore unfit for a serious encyclopedia entry. Rephrase.
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.216.146.55 (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
- Done. --Orange Mike 21:33, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mordvins
- Dalmatov carried this sectarian belief into Moscow, where a group of sojourners from northern Russia (near the Finnish border), which were Mordvins, heard his message of spirit and truth and embraced it.
Something is fishy here. Mordvins don't live near Finnish border. Where does all this text come from? mikka (t) 02:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Wheeling
Dalmatov was later martyred by Orthodox priests in a monastery prison by being placed upon a device in which two large wooden wheels with iron spikes would spin in opposite directions thereby pulling the individual’s body apart from the inside out.
Check Wikipedia's article on "wheeling" as a method torture and execution. This lurid description given "wooden wheels with iron spikes", is taken from "Lives of Saints", and repeated in Rudometkin's writings. All we do actually know is that Dalmatov was tortured and executed by wheeling, very likely done in the conventional manner, since that was in the habit during Ivan the Terrible's time. Ordinary wagon wheels were easy to obtain, fanciful "wooden wheels with iron spikes" would have been too costly and outlandish.
[edit] = sounds like this editor is a Molokan
I don't usually get involved with religeous articles, but stick to political ones. I was wiki-link serfing and happened on this one. I thought it looked like it was written by a pro-Molokan or a Molokan. I've never even heard of Molokan til now, but I couldn't resist challenging this article for its objectivity. No wonder it has unbalanced template at its top. If some of it is to stand, then it must have additional language like: according to 'bla bla' the Molokans did whatever. Or according to Molokans or Molokans believe 'so and so' prophesied this or that. Sorry, I'll be more specific as the dialouge continues. Neutral nobody 04:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
- looooool.. ??????? He foresaw the prophecy and thus he walked to mount ararat (or whatever)?????? What is this?????? It is fishy alright, and that's an understatement :)) Baristarim 21:28, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Who better to know and understand the history of the Molokans than a Molokan? All this talk of objectivity is nonsense. All that has been written thus far is essentially correct. I would know, as I am a full blooded Molokan, and have had the priviledge of being able to talk with very old Molokan men who lived through some of the toughest times leaving Russia during the beginning of the fall of the iron curtain. There is actually far more horrific stuff that happened, and (what?)
[edit] Blehhh
"The message of truth blah blah" This article has an irky stench of partiality. All religions claim that they have the truth. Stick to the facts that can be prouved, and if you cant, just dont write anything.
Most of what is written is true, true to the extent that after a couple of hundred years and not much formal history, the tellings of old men can somtimes be skewed. However as a Mordovian Molokan I can tell you that most of it can be close to the truth, as I have never researched or visited this site or any other site about Molokans or Mordovian Molokans before but yet have the knowings of all the information in it, all from my grandparents who were told by their grandparents etc. So before critising the information about my people ask yourdelf how much you know about yours.
