Talk:Moldavian-Ukrainian relations

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Please, wait for a couple of minutes, 20-30, I am writing the article in this very moment--Moldopodotalk 17:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

  • There was proposal to change Moldavian to Moldovan. It would be interesting to know what other users think of this? By searching for a mere defition o Google "define:Moldovan" / "define:Moldavian", the adjective Moldavian is defined through the Wikipedia definition so it's not really a source to check, Moldovan as of or relating to or characteristic of Moldova or its people or culture (Pinceton).So, I wonder whether Moldavian is absolutely irrelevant and misplaced for an adjective regarding Moldova? I wonder whether this discusson has already taken place on English Wikipedia?--Moldopodotalk 19:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

As is obvious from the spelling, Moldovan is something about the Republic of Moldova, whereas Moldavian is something related to the Principality of Moldavia. --Gutza T T+ 20:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hm, the source you gave does not speak of Moldavian Principality: –adjective 1. of or pertaining to Moldavia, its people, or their language. –noun 2. a native or inhabitant of Moldavia. 3. a dialect of Romanian spoken in Moldavia and written in the Cyrillic alphabet.--Moldopodotalk 20:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Moldopodo is right, the mentioned site makes no differences between Republic of Moldova and Moldavia. see here the inverse: moldavian - linked to the region of Romania and moldovan - to Republic of Moldova --serhio talk 20:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No, actually both you and Moldopodo are wrong. Merriam-Webster says precisely the same thing as dictionary.com, which is precisely what I said above. --Gutza T T+ 20:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Issues

The topic is notable; however, there are a couple of serious problems. First, the adjective form of Moldova is Moldovan, so that should in fact be the title. Second and more important, one can only begin to speak meaningfully of Moldovan-Ukrainian relations in 1991. Sure, one could give a prehistory of the topic (see Polish-Ukrainian relations) - MASSR, etc., but the two states have only existed in stable form since 1991. There was of course a Moldavia until 1859/62, and that entity had relations with places to its east, but Moldova is not its successor and we should avoid giving that impression. Biruitorul Talk 02:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

After some researches (here or here), I found Biruitorul right:
  • Former Soviet Union: The states (preferable to the term republics, although can be used synonymously) are:
    • Azerbaijan - adjective: Azerbaijani for people and state;
    • Belarus - not double s - adjective: Belarussian;
    • Kazakhstan - adjective Kazakh (not Kazakhi or Turkmeni etc);
    • Kyrgyzstan - adjective Kyrgyz;
    • Moldova - adjective Moldovan;
    • Tajikistan - Tajik;
    • Turkmenistan (note the i) - Turkmen;
    • Uzbekistan - Uzbek;  ;)

--serhio talk 09:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe the relations of the Principality of Moldavia with its Cossak neighbours before and particularly after the Zaporozhian Host was established are very interesting and, in my oppinion, most welcome. However this article should not be used as a POV pusher in the question of Moldovenism and one shouls carefully distinguish between the foreign relations af a feudal (and mostly vassal) state with a neighbouring people and for some-time "quasi" or de-facto state and the foreign relations of two very recent modern states Moldova and Ukraine. Plinul cel tanar (talk) 09:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Precisely. One could have such a section here, provided the distinction between feudal Moldavia and the Republic of Moldova were made quite clear, or one could have a "Foreign policy" section in Moldavia, and deal with it there. The theme is quite interesting and deserves mention; the important thing is that it be presented appropriately and not used to create false impressions about continuity between Moldavia (-1859) and Moldova (1991-). Biruitorul Talk 16:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Moldovan pertains to Moldova, the country. Moldavian pertains to Moldavia, a historical state entity. They are not interchangeable. Nor are historical references to Moldavian for the Romanian spoken in Moldavian the same as describing the Romanian spoken in toay's Moldova as Moldovan. —PētersV (talk) 17:39, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
P.S. With regard to both references to language, neither originated because there was/is actually a different language, but that's a topic for a different discussion. (Nor is there any historical continuity between those references, in spite of Voronin's proclamations about "6 centuries.") —PētersV (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2008 (UTC)