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[edit] Last Name

Is this spacing correct? Shouldn't there be a space in El Baradei? RickK 04:36, Jun 16, 2004 (UTC)

Looks wrong, but that's how I see it in Google.

By the way, a Washington Times editorial said:

In early October, the IAEA's Mr. ElBaradei suddenly demanded that the Iraqi interim government account for the explosives at al Qaqaa. After monitoring the cache for a decade (and a year and a half after the fall of Baghdad), Mr. ElBaradei says he now wants answers. This of course has nothing at all to do with the U.S.-led opposition to Mr. ElBaradei's hope for a third term as director-general, as reported by Agence France Presse in late September. It appears that from the IAEA on down to the New York Times and CBS News, which planned to run the story on Oct. 31, the whole point behind the missing-cache story was to create an "october surprise" on the eve of the election. [1]
I just checked the IAEA website. His name there is indeed "Mohamed ElBaradei". No space between "El" and "Baradei". Since he runs IAEA, let's assume that this is his preferred spelling, and that this is how he is referred to professionally in English. -- PFHLai 05:01, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Last Name (reply)

The spelling of his name was bothering me, so I went searching for answers. Since I speak a little arabic, I found an Arabic document on the UN website with his name in the title. It is spelt like Al-Baradei, but for Egyptian names it is commonly transliterated as El-Baradei. As far as the spacing, it is up to the discretion of whoever writes the name. In Arabic, the 'Al' is attached to the last name, so it does sort of make sense to put the words together without a space. From the best of my research, I find that his name probably just comes from early writing of his name that way, which just sort of stuck. Hopefully someone who knows more will stop by and clarify.

Hello, Mr. Anonymous Contributor. Perhaps you could dig up the proper Arabic spelling for his name as well?
And please, don't remove or edit your own contribution without any comment. Just providing something like "rewrote paragraph on X for clarity" or "rephrased question about Y and added some background info" in the "Edit summary" box would be nice. Saves the paranoid among us from having to compare pages just to see what it was you didn't want us to know, if nothing else. (That last bit was a joke.) -- 09:23, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) magetoo
In the ALA-LC (Library of Congress) system, for what it's worth, the transliteration of his name would be Muḥammad al-Barādi`ī. The third letter is an h with a dot under it. The next-to-last letter should be a left single quote mark. I will now flee before the transliteration police get here. :-)
--Cam 02:02, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
I have returned to clarify that, in this instance, the LC doesn't use a strict transliteration for its authorized heading (see authority control) but instead uses the more common form Mohamed El Baradei.--Cam 02:36, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Awesome work Cam. Thanks. --Avengerx

[edit] Downer?

Sorry, that's news to me. "There was no potential candidate to bid against his reelection, though he US tried to convince Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer, who declined, to run for job." How come the Australian media hasn't picked up on this? He must be the most disliked politician in the Liberal party cabinet, with the exception of perhaps Ruddock or Vanstone. - Ta bu shi da yu 05:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

well then you really don't know Australia if that is what you think. I don't know why Foreign Minister Alexander Downer would be hated, he deals with international diplomacy. It would also be good if you used the proper terms when refering to these people such as Senator Amander Vanstone rather than just Vanstone. Mattrix18 10:17, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm surprised that the Australian media hasn't mentioned it more, but it did get one or two references — here, for example, and here. A Google search for "Alexander Downer" and "IAEA" is here. I don't know what the source of the claim is, though. -- Vardion 21:17, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How can he win the Nobel Prize?

This is a man who has been so entirely undermined by Iranian escalation tactics, threatening any UN intervention with possible aggression, that he and his EU-led cronies have backed down almost entirely. He has allowed Iran to carry on its enriching activities with utter impunity, but he harps on US involvement in Iraq and stolen weapons. Wow. Talk about misplaced priorities.--Michaelk 01:18, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

I also don't agree with his winning of the Nobel Prize. While I don't have as strong of negative feelings about him as you do, I feel that the decision was politically motivated rather than properly awarded. His criticism of American policy is what wins him notierity; when it should instead be his works for the IAEA that gets him attention. Sadly, he isn't doing his job correctly, especially with the Iran debacle.--AvengerX 01:40, 8 9 October 2005
Agreed. The Times Online wrote a great article outlining every reason he should never even have been considered, let alone won.
1. Before the 1991 Gulf War (before Dr ElBaradei’s appointment), the IAEA failed to detect Saddam’s nuclear programme. After the war, it was startled by the scale of his work to make fissile material.
2. Under Dr ElBaradei, the IAEA missed the Libyan nuclear programme, which Libya chose to reveal after the 2003 Iraq war.
3. It missed Iran’s 20-year covert nuclear research programme, exposed by Iranian dissidents three years ago.
4. It failed to detect the “nuclear supermarket” run by A. Q. Khan, the Pakistani scientist who sold plans and components to Libya, North Korea and Iran.
5. It was slow to sound the alarm about North Korea’s conversion of its civil nuclear power into a weapons programme. The US accused North Korea of weapons ambitions in 2002.
For more info, read the article for yourself at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1816612,00.html. --Michaelk 16:42, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps he was given the prize for opposing what many consider to have been the vicious and illegal invasion of Iraq. Personaly I don't understand why some countries are allowed to have nuclear weapons and others not, especially given that US policy prioriutises US citizens, SqueakBox 16:50, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

there seems to be some confusion about the IAEA's role. it is not a policing, investigating agency. it is not an intelligence organisation. its job, as i understand it, is to verify that nations which agree to co-operate with it, use nuclear facilities safely, securely, and for peaceful purposes(if they have so agreed). neither 'rogue' states nor 'god's own' states such as the US offer IAEA inspectors full and untrammeled access to facilities, personnel or information to enable IAEA to detect non-compliance by the states. the iaea's job is to ensure that nuclear power is used appropriately, to the extent it can given the above limits to its access. the job of unearthing covert weapons programmes ... etc is the job of intelleligence organisations. the job of convincing or coercing nations to co-operate and obey the nuclear dogma ("we'll keep ours, you don't make yours") is that of the security council and individual nations.

it is the IAEA's job to inform its "superiors" whether the cooperation it receives is adequate for it to perform the verification it needs to do. in this, if the US state department disagrees with the IAEA, it can

  1. put up the info it (the state dept.) has gathered to make the IAEA "see" that cooperation is not adequate.
  2. fire the IAEA staff and appoint others to do a better job, which it can only do if it can convince other states on the iaea's board of governors (is it?) to do likewise.

if the state dept is unable to do either, it's not the iaea's problem.

Doldrums 18:07, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

And what has the IAEA/Baradei done about Israel's nuclear arsenal? A couple of nervous statements and no action or results. 80.6.30.24 00:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Did you read what Doldrums said? The IAEA is not responsible for monitoring Israel anymore then it is responsible for monitoring Iran as neither are currently allowing the IAEA to do so Nil Einne 09:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] controversy & october surprise

the controversy section is more aptly titled 'US opposition to ElBaradei". mention needs to be made of criticism of ElB from elsewhere. here's a start - Gong for dubious level of achievement by Bronwen Maddox (Foreign Editor's Briefing) The Times, October 08, 2005 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1816612,00.html

An october surprise section seems unwarranted, atmost it merits a mention under 'US opposition ...". Doldrums 08:57, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes

Quotes should be part of a narrative, or moved to en.wikiquote.org. Rd232 13:03, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Considered stooge"

I removed User:InnocentMinds addition to the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize section (emphasized):

Considered by many as a stooge of the West (particularly the US) for allowing Western countries develop peaceful nuclear programs while disallowing Muslim Iran to do so. On October 7, 2005, ElBaradei and the IAEA itself were announced as joint recipients of the prestigious Nobel Peace Prize ...

It doesn't belong in the Nobel Peace Prize section, and it should be rephrased to try and avoid POV (considered -- by whom?). -- magetoo 13:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "Nuclear Club" Reference

I have removed para 2 of the Controversy section. It read as follows:

"During ElBaradei's term as Director General for the IAEA, the following countries have joined the nuclear club: India, Pakistan, and North Korea. It also should be noted that India and Pakistan did not sign the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty."

This is imprecise at best. First of all, the author of this paragraph did not specify whether joining the nuclear club involves the production of nuclear energy, performing uranium enrichment, detonating nuclear weapons, or stating intents about these activities. In any event, India detonated its first nuclear bomb in 1974 (a whole 23 years before ElBaradei's 19979 appointment). Pakistan started developing its nuclear program in 1972. North Korea has been operating its reactor at Yongbyon since the 1960s or shortly thereafter. In addition, the relationship between India and Pakistan not having signed the NPT and Mohamed ElBaradei's tenure at the IAEA is quite tenuous.--Nicsilo 19:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

While I'm not asking for the re-insertation, generally speaking the nuclear club refers to those who are believed to have developed working nuclear weapons, usually by having successfully publicly tested them (e.g. India, Pakistan) but sometimes even without a successful public test (e.g. Israel) Nil Einne 09:09, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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Is four quotes too many for an article of this length and importance? Where are guidelines saying that it is? -Pgan002 (talk) 00:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)