Talk:Mohamed Abdelwahab Abdelfattah

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This article was nominated for deletion on 30 May 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

[edit] Please restore

Please restore the original version of this article, which was apparently deleted earlier today with no discussion. The current version is unsatisfactory. As of now the only way to find the prior, "good" version, is via Google cache. Thank you. Badagnani (talk) 03:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the original version should be restored. If there are any potential copyright violations these can be identified. --Kleinzach 03:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I've restored the history. Someone who understands this subject better than I can figure out which version would be best to use. The conflicts of interest in the history are a big problem, though. It's a bad reason for speedy deletion, but it would be best if Dr. Abdelfattah avoided editing his own article. I say this from the point of view of someone who has an article here on myself that I think could be significantly improved, but that I trust the other Wikipedia editors to handle properly eventually without my intervention. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you; usually subjects of their own articles can add factual things like sources or check points of fact, but for anything more controversial perhaps, from the above discussion, it would be best if he submitted them at this discussion page first. Badagnani (talk) 06:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It appears to be a copyvio from this page [1], which I thought was the reason for removing that version. It's also poorly written, but I see that's no concern. --Blechnic (talk) 06:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I think there was some degree of copyvio at the very beginning (you can check the history), which I had tried to mitigate. Badagnani (talk) 06:46, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

It's not mitigated, and it's poorly written. When I remove a copyvio, I like to rewrite in Standard English as prose for an encyclopedia generally should be written. However, I give up and leave it to you. The gentleman is a credible and well known and appreciated musician in the Arab and South Asian music world and could have a much better article than this. A friend who builds ancient Persian musical instruments, after first establishing which Abdel Wahab (and there should be dab about this), told me quite a bit about him. --Blechnic (talk) 21:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources removed

A great deal of excellent sources (including reproductions of articles, discography, bibliography, list of compositions, etc.) removed here. This is unreasonable because for contemporary composers, in many cases their own website is the best compendium of a listing of their works, writings, and other aspects of their life. We should be reasonable in everything we do, and the blanking, without consensus, of more than twelve links is unreasonable. Badagnani (talk) 16:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm the one who removed them, per WP:COI and WP:EL. Nothing to do with consensus (and not unreasonable either), it's Wikipedia policy. A subject's own blogs are not considered to be objective or reliable sources, let alone "excellent" ones. I've removed over a dozen links, that's true. I can't help it that mr. Abdelwahab Abdelfattah runs so many sites about himself. If there's material in any of these blogs that should be in the article (a bibliography, for example) then just find a published, third party reference for it and add it. The same goes for reproductions, if properly licensed.  Channel ®   01:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dab

This article requires a dab pointing to the much more famous Arab musician of a similar name. --Blechnic (talk) 21:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)