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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) Contents 1 B-class assessment 2 The post-colonial and pre-collapse period 3 Warlord 4 Madagascar 5 The Portuguese= 6 Italian name 7 Status of Somalia 8 Choice of Photo 9 Backs hacks incident leading to World trade center 10 Landshut? 11 not Swahili 12 Arms Supply 13 Five Black Hawks Down? 14 Map of Mogadishu 15 The Treaty of 1891. 16 Photos 17 Pronunciation Query [edit] B-class assessment B-class rating after consideration. The article has a map showing where it is in the world, but it is missing a map of the city itself. Sections of the article do not cite references. It is missing a section on its history between the independence of Somalia to the Somali Civil War, c. 1960–1991. --Petercorless 02:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] The post-colonial and pre-collapse period

This account of Mogadishu has nothing to say about 45 years of its history, from 1945 to 1990. A gaping hole, to say the least! Rick Davies

[edit] Warlord

(Mohamed Farad Aidid?)

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Quelle hypocrisie de la part des USA, des Nations Unis, de l'Italie et des Russes, un jour le père Aidid est l'énnemi public numèro 1 comme Ben Laden d'ailleurs, pour ensuite vouloir capturer Mohammed Aidid avec une prime de 25.000$ sur sa tête.

Une quête ayant couté la vie à 18 braves soldats ayant combattu pour une juste cause de par l'opération restaure hope, innocents en ayant été victime d'un gouvernement Américain de pervers, de menteurs, de singes et de guenons qui cache la vérité, celle qui nuit a leurs intérêts communs, pour un peuple Somalien qui fût réduit a la famine par la volonté d'un warlord Mohammed Aidid, un warlord faisant régner sa petite terreure sur le peuple somalien d'en bas, qui ayant fait toutes ses études en occident "Italie l'ancien colonisateur" afin de renverser un marxiste leniniste de Barre ayant manipulé et instrumentalisé l'Islam pour un vil profit matérielle terrestre éphémère, et pour son bien être individuel, pour qu'ensuite les US fasse venir le fils Aidid a l'age de 16 ans au pays des kouffars "aux Etats Unis pour lui montrer ce qu'est la face visible de la grandeur d'un pays, mais ayant oublié de lui montrer la face caché de la grandeur des Etats Unis, celle que l'occident ne veut pas montrer, mais attention on ne fait pas venir au pays de l'oncle sam n'importe quel filston ! non ! plutot le fils Aidid et certainement pas un fils de Somalie qui fût victime de la famine du père Aidid, et dont le père, un jour de Mars 1992 était l'énnemi public numéro 1 des US et de l'UN en Somalie après l'avoir manipulé contre un tyran marxiste leniniste Barre" pour qu'ensuite on place le fils Aidid sur le trône de Somalie, et dont le père fût coupable de crime de guerre et de génocide contre l'humanité toute entière par le biais de "la FAMINE DU PEUPLE SOMALIEN" pour qu'ensuite dans leur plans machiavélique en tout genre on vienne placer sur le trone de la somalie le Fils Aidid, au sevice des Etats Unis par l'intermédiaire de son service qu'il effectua au service des Marines, d'ailleurs ne le dit-il pas lui même : "Once a marine, always a marine" un jour un marine toujours un marine, mais le plus triste dans l'histoire c'est tel un fils trahissant le père, pour des Etats Unis qui après avoir combattu et recherché le père Aidid a Mogadishu en 1992 et tout en ayant plaçé sur sa tête, une prime de 25000$ après l'avoir manipulé contre les tyrans du marxiste leninisme de l'Union Soviétique.

Vraiment, l'amérique et les Nations Unis, votre fin approche a grands pas, non pas, pour votre impérialisme commercial sur toute la surface de la terre, mais pour vos manipulations et instrumentalisations en tout genre de l'unique religion agréée par l'éternel : L'Islam (La paix) car avec l'Islam on doit faire la paix et non pas la guerre, car lorque l'on brandit le glaive c'est pour une bonne cause defendre le faible contre le tyran, contre le puissant, nourrir un orphelin, érradiquer la famine, mais quand on manipule l'Islam pour un vil profit on brandit le glaive a son propre détriment.

Ceci, l'heure arrive, celle des réglements de compte devant l'éternel, surtout, pour vos manipulations en tout genre sur toute la surface de la terre, car si vous saviez de sources certaines que la fin de VOTRE NOUVEL ORDRE MONDIAL arrive a grands pas ! pour celui d'un nouvel ordre mondial DIVIN, qui lui sera sans associé(es) dans la destiné de toute l'humanité !

Quand a celles et a ceux qui ne sont pas dans l'islam "dans la Paix" rentrez-y car il est temps ! pour votre salut ! car la fin approche ! site internet : http://www.islam-2012-newworldorder.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.249.19.157 (talk) 00:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Perché non scrive in inglese?--SilasW (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Madagascar

I read somewhere that Madagascar got its name from misunderstood reports of Mogadishu by Marco Polo. True?

[edit] The Portuguese=

There is no evidence that the Portuguese ever owned / ruled Mogadishu. See "The Portuguese visited the city, but never succeeded in taking it." at [1] Rick Davies

[edit] Italian name

I removed

(Italian: Mogadiscio) -?

can't see why this is in any way significant for the English language Wikipedia. --Robert Merkel 13:26, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It was an Italian colony, and Mogadiscio was what the city was called during that period. Rick Davies

[edit] Status of Somalia

Because of the current status of Somalia it is probably improper to characterize Mogadishu as a national capital. Taking the term Somalia to be a region, one could say "Mogadishu is the largest city in Somalia," but IMO there is no reason to say "Mogadishu is the capital of Somalia" when the provisional government is nothing more than provisional. --Alexwcovington (talk) 17:18, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And when Somaliland, in the NW has been functionally independent since the early 90's with their own capital, Hargeysa. Rick Davies

It might make sense then to simply explain that while Mogadishu is the official capital of the provisional government, Somaliland has been functionally independent since the early 1990s. L Hamm 17:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It should probably say Mogadishu is the de jure capital, recognized by the United Nations or something like that. 4.142.132.85 23:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)Eric

[edit] Choice of Photo

Am I the only one who thinks it's unfortunate that the one photo chosen for this article is of the Black Hawk helicopter? I suspect that while this describes what Mogadishu brings to mind for an American, other images would be more relevant to the residents of the city. A public square or market, perhaps?

--User:Vorpalbla 1/23/05

There are many other photos to choose from at http://www.swan.ac.uk/cds/rd/mogimage.htm Rick Davies

[edit] Backs hacks incident leading to World trade center

Well, I think this is higly speculative and has no place in that king of article. I will remove that paragraphe and I think it should not come back unless more background is brought there. --Martin.komunide.com 05:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Landshut?

The subheader "Anarchy and the Americans", due to its placing between the "historic" and "today" section, makes it very hard to add an event that IMHO belongs here. I don't know how strong the connection is in England or the US, but in Germany the first association with the word "Mogadishu" is the liberation of the Landshut hostages, mentioned in various other Wikipedia articles.

Suggestion:

"1977 the German anti-terror unit GSG 9 liberated the hijacked Lufthansa airliner Landshut on the city airport. (See Red Army Faction or German Autumn for details.)"

[edit] not Swahili

Removed this claim:

, another version claims that it is a Somali version of the Swahili "mwyu ma" (last northern city)

That doesn't look like any kind of Swahili to me, and it's not the Swahili for 'last' or 'north' or 'city' (mji).

[edit] Arms Supply

Who supplies arms to the Islamic Court Union? I read in the Islamic Court Union article that Ethiopia does. However, in this article, Eritrea is the supplier. Who's the real supplier? Wai Hong 05:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

• All news reports I've seen say that Ethiopia supplies arms to the ICU, and Eritrea supplies arms to the rival warlords.--Pharos 05:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Five Black Hawks Down?

How about a link to a source, referencing the additional three downed helicopters? I've only ever heard about the two that went down in the city. Thanks!

[edit] Map of Mogadishu

Is anyone else interested in putting together an up-to-date map of Mogadishu? I've been frustrated by the lack of information forthcoming from the media about the exact locations of the warlords, the Islamic courts, the provisional government etc. I'm also thinking of creating a larger map of Somalia, showing current and recent positions of the various warlords, the Islamic courts and Ethiopian incursions. Anyone? Polocrunch 18:18, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Treaty of 1891.

Mogadishu became Italian after the treaty of March 24, 1891. The Italian emissary who signed the treaty was Vincenzo Filonardi.

[edit] Photos

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Many of the photos currently on the page are of poor quality and/or have dubious copyright licenses. It would be nice to get some high-quality free images posted here. -- Beland 19:59, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation Query

The article gives the English pronunciation as moʊgəˈdɪʃuː. That seems to start as the three men went to do to the meadow (indeed how that word ends) but in my Somali donkey's years I heard from Anglophones nothing but "Mog" to rhyme with "Fog".
What source is there for "moʊgəˈdɪʃuː"?