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Please help improve this article or section by expanding it. Further information might be found on the talk page or at requests for expansion. (January 2007)

Needs a very large amount of work. I've put up the categories just to give people something smaller to deal with than this mammoth subject. KharBevNor 19:51, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Given that early modern warfare "lasts until the end of the eighteenth century", this article's definition seems to be false in saying modern warfare is that involving first world countries (POV itself) and computers. Can anyone improve the definition? Also, I think this current organization is so detailed it is impractical, and Western-centric. 119 20:19, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agree on all counts. The term modern is only a time-construction, and does not specify participants (first world). If this term is used academically only to refer to first world, computers, etc., then it should be sourced and stated as such, pointing out that the name used is actually something of a misnomer. That is if.--Dmcdevit 05:26, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I added some information on the three main types of conventional warfare here. I hope it helps.

Needs links inserting to main articles on nuclear warfare, electronic warfare etc. I'm not entirely certain on the format. --KharBevNor 02:15, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This is desperately in need of improvement. Almost everything said is a generalisation; some are of doubtful accuracy. Really needs to put modern warfare development in a historical context. DJ Clayworth 17:20, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

I think one of our problems is the name Early modern warfare to cover the 15th-18th century. I would like to see that article renamed to something like Warfare in the age of gunpowder, with Early modern warfare covering the first part of the twentieth century and another article covering warfare from Waterloo to WWI. This article could then focus on post-WWII (or WWII and after). DJ Clayworth 17:34, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Or we could just call an article covering the 19th-early 20th centuries Pre-Modern warfare.--Kross | Talk 18:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

While everyone figures out how to do this, I created a stopgap period called Industrial Warfare (A working title, which we can easily change) to cover the Nineteenth Century and Twentieth Century (Prior to 1980s). Palm_Dogg 09:24, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

To avoid redundancy, I've got Industrial Warfare running to about the 1980s, so I'm guessing what we would call "Modern warfare" probably started in the 1960s/1970s (There are always a few overlapping decades). Palm_Dogg 21:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Expansion and Organisation 2 Propaganda 3 Cleanup? 4 Useless article

[edit] Expansion and Organisation

Given the request for expansion, I've tried to expand a few of the introductions (Total war, Naval Warfare, nuclear warfare) on this page. However, Battlefield keeps deleting them. I expanded the 'total war' intro. to include a short amount of total war's historical context (i.e. WWI/2). Battlefield deleted this b/c "This is MODERN warfare not WW1 or WW2". Personally, I figured, as I'm sure every Officer does (I'm in the ARA) that in order to best understand warfare, you must be aware of its history; I'm not saying the introductions should be historically-based, but should simply mention it when advantageous. I redid the intro. again and it was deleted again. What confused me though, is that if this article (Modern warfare) is really solely focused on today's events, then why do we even have 'total war' in it? Total war hasn't existed since WW2 (as the actual article Total war explains). This could also go for intros like 'nuclear warfare'. On top of that, why do other introductions (such as the one for Naval warfare) mention the historical development of that method of war?

So, I'm coming to you to ask this. Do we either: a) completely remove all historical context from introductions like 'Naval warfare' and move anachronistic introductions like 'total war' to other timeframes, or b) allow a little flexibility to these intros, and provide small amounts of historical context when appropriate? (My preferred option) Opiniastrous 03:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

WWI and WWII should definitely be included. Modern Warfare goes back a lot further than that, in fact; it begins with first generation warfare in the 17th century. "Modern" is a relative term, and compared with the entire history of warfare, 1648 is pretty recent. Not to mention 1918. Kafziel 12:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Most college courses will teach that the first modern war was World War I with its use of Tanks, Aircraft and Machine Guns. I agree with this definition, and sticking to 20th/21st century war will keep the article from becoming too large. FLJuJitsu 23:15 06 Sept 07

[edit] Propaganda

added references in 4gw to propaganda as a means of starting a war, additional references should be added about propaganda during a war- regarding both methods used to justify the war effort at home and demoralize the declared enemy forces in the foreign lands, along with the motivations and moral implications of both aspects. -Outofthebox —Preceding unsigned comment added by Outofthebox (talk • contribs) 08:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup?

Reading through this article, I found two sections which were in desperate need of rewording, and at least one section that looked like it could use cleanup. Should this page be tagged for cleanup or is it good enough to leave it as a start-class project? -Player 03 14:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Useless article

Modern warfare doesn't mean the use of nukes and satallites. It mean using the most advanced tech of the time. "Modern" is the most meaningless word in the english laguage. This article states "modern warfare" began in the 40's, but here it is Modern Warfare in 1915 and Gas and Flame in Modern Warfare in 1918 and here is article on the evolution of tatics in modern warfare from 1892. This article either needs to forget about all the stuff from the 40's, 50's, 60's, and 70's and focus on only the current cutting edge of technology in warfare or else talk about the continual intergration of new technology into the battlefield throughout history.--BirgitteSB 14:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, got to agree with BirgitteSB here. Every period had its own modernity at least since the word was coined in ancient Rome. I would also like to point out that the article does not define itself, but the widest available definition of what is being described in the article is in fact Post-modern warfare--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♥♦♣ 23:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)