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[edit] Rangers vs Celtic controversy
This article is heavily biased and written from a very skewed view of Mo Johnston and his relationship with Rangers Fans. There were no burning of scarves outside Ibrox [citation needed] by Rangers Fans only by two homeless people paid by a tabloid to do so! [citation needed] The author would be better served investigating Maurice's fear of living in Glasgow and his intimidation by Celtic fans [citation needed](now who is being slanted and biased?) [citation needed] rather than myths about Rangers! Mo Johnston wasn't the first Roman Catholic player to play for Rangers, this is a bit of an urban myth. Most notably John Spencer was at Rangers in season 1985-1986 and was Roman Catholic.[citation needed] It is impossible to know without access to all former players details whether or not Rangers ever had a ban on signing Roman Catholics or not. It is often suggested that Scotland being 85% Protestant, and the majority of Roman Catholics would favour Celtic that it is not unusual that very few chose to play for Rangers who are Celtic's biggest rivals. Even now when Rangers play considerably more Roman Cathlolic than they have done at any time in their history, this probably has more to do with playing non-Scots, rather than a lifting of any ban on Catholic players.
- 1) Not the first Catholic, the first since WW2. 2) Spencer did not play for Rangers until after Mo did, which is what the article said. 3) Mo's official bio says that he was the first since WW2. 4) Even if it's not the case that he was the first WW2, which we might not have a way of knowing, it is an important misconception (or not), which has to be mentioned in the article. 5) I'm not Catholic, Protestant, Rangers, or Celtic fan, so I'm trying to make this article as informative and unbiased and possible. --Dryazan 13:51, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Although, even if it could be shown that it was actually John Spencer and not Mo Johnson who was the first Catholic signed by Souness, this would not disprove the claim that Rangers had a ban on Catholic players from roughly WW1 down to the Souness era. PatGallacher 01:17, 2005 May 2 (UTC)
- I am really not sure how to do this so this page doesn't become a Holy War like Rangers and Celtics pages become from time to time. If you can, please do. --Dryazan 03:00, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I understand Kitchenbrand said that he was not open about being a Catholic when he played with Rangers, he used to attend mass in secret. It seems Rangers simply assumed that a white South African with an Afrikanner name would be a Protestant. PatGallacher 10:30, 2005 May 13 (UTC)
- I am removing the Kitchenbrand info. This is a Mo page, not a Rangers or Kitchenbrand page. I do not want this page to become a Holy War like the Rangers and Celtics pages. --Dryazan 13:30, 13 May 2005 (U
[edit] Sources/NPOV
I've added {{POV}} and {{notverified}} tags at the top of the article. For an article dealing with a polarizing figure and containing some controversial claims, it's shocking that no one bothered to cite a single source.
Also, there are several unattributed, subjective statements that either need to go or have to come from notable, preferably neutral people. For example:
- "widely considered one of Scotland's best strikers of the 1980s."
- See: WP:WEASEL. Either quote a reputable source calling him one of the best Scottish strikers of the 1980s, a reputable source saying he's widely considered so, or remove this statement and cite his goal tally.
- "However, it was his return from France to Scotland that was to cement Johnston's place in Scottish football history."
- This sentence needs to go, I think. If it really is notable, it should go without saying, right?
- "famously saying that "Celtic are the only team I want to play for"."
- Again, "famously" should go without saying.
I'll be adding {{fact}} tags into the article and if i have more time, see if I can dig up some sources. Ytny 13:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pic added
I have added a picture to the page (finally). Ebuz610 19:38, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
