Talk:Moët et Chandon

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Assessment comments The following comments were left by the assessors: (edit · refresh) The section on pronunciation is wrong. The T is sounded whether followed by a vowel or not. The reason is that Moet is a proper name and as such does not follow the general rules for french pronunciation. This fact is clearly stated in the references at the bottom of the article http://www.lucire.com/2002/0530ll0.shtml QUOTE However, in this case the general rule does not apply says Myreille Pawliez, senior lecturer in French at Victoria University. ‘Proper nouns in French, which include names of people and places, don’t follow the general rule and because there are so many exceptions it can get confusing,’ she says. ‘In this case it is two proper names put together (Moët et Chandon) and you just have to know how to pronounce them.’ END QUOTE
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I'm going to move this section that User:Agne27 removed arbitrarily and without moving it to the Talk Page to discuss. I believe citing refs. for this section is not hard, just need to find the lyrics and tag as necessary. I will start the work in a few days and move this section back in to the main article body. Payam81 14:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It is not just a matter of reference but also encyclopedic relevance. Moet & Chandon are serious champagne producers and Wikipedia's readership deserve at least GA glass article on this producer. There is nothing in the "pop culture" reference that offer any pertaining value or demonstration of this producer's reputation or influence that couldn't be summed up as Moet & Chandon is well known wine brand that has been mentioned in lyrics, books, and film with a single cite about the wine's influence. I would also point to WP:TRIVIA as well as Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information for other pertinent reasons to leave the cruft out. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 09:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Popular culture references 2 Notes 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Mandc.gif 4 WikiProject class rating 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Moet-brute.jpg 6 Pronunciation needed! 7 Removed claim

[edit] Popular culture references

• Christmas with the Kranks (film) A Bottle of Moët Brut Imperial is clearly visible to the camera with Tim Allen sitting right behind it towards the end of the movie at the Christmas party scene.
• Failure to Launch (film) Towards the beginning of the movie, Kit (Zooey Deschanel) is seen holding a bottle of Moët Brut Imperial while pouring it in a flute.
• The song "Killer Queen," from the British band Queen album Sheer Heart Attack, refers to Moët & Chandon in its opening lines: "She keeps her Moët & Chandon in a pretty cabinet..."^[1]
• The song "Brass Monkey" by the Beastie Boys also refers to Moët.
• The song "Drop It Like It's Hot" by Snoop Dogg also refers to Moët & Chandon.
• The song "Time to Party" by Craig David also refers to Moët & Chandon.
• The song "The Roof" by Mariah Carey also refers to Moët & Chandon.
• The song "My Melody" by Eric B. & Rakim also refers to Moët & Chandon.
• The song "Feelin'It" by Jay-Z also refers to Moët & Chandon in the hook.
• The song "Fiesta Remix" by Jay-Z and R. Kelly also refers to Moët & Chandon in the first verse.
• The songs "Juicy" and "Big Poppa" by Notorious B.I.G. also refers to Moët & Chandon.
• The song "Watch Me Now" by Ultramagnetic MCs also refers to Moët & Chandon in the fourth verse.
• The songs "Represent" and "N.Y. State of Mind" by Nas (off his first album, Illmatic) also refers to Moët.
• The song "Fresh" by Non-Prophets has Sage Francis stating "I don't buy Cheeba.... or Moet"
• The song "Bomb This Track" by Mindless Self Indulgence refers to Moët
• The song "Seven Days" by Craig David also refers to Moët & Chandon.

[edit] Notes

1. ^ Harrison, Ian (2005). The Book of Duos: The Stories Behind History's Great Partnerships. Sterling Publishing Company, Inc., 219. ISBN 1844033406. Retrieved on 2007-02-14. 

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mandc.gif

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This image appears to be a copyright violation, and looks to be simply lifted from the internet. The picture of the bottle is more of an advertising picture, not encyclpedic for the article, and could easily be replaced with free content (i.e. someone could take a picture and replace this copyrighted content with free content). I'm removing the link. If the author thinks otherwise, please defend.Veritasjohn 05:22, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Moet-brute.jpg

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[edit] Pronunciation needed!

I was at a dinner party last night, and the pronunciation of Moët came up. A girl at the table announced that she "had looked it up on Wikipedia, but it didn't say anything". As an editor, I was quietly horrified that this was the case, and immediately checked when I got home.

A glance of the history indicates that this topic has been in contention before, so I am hesitant to dive in and reignite old fires. But the incident last night serves to remind that the public ARE relying on us for this sorts of information. If I can help in any way I will be glad to do so, although the only link I could find was the Lucire one. Manning (talk) 04:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice to have one of our amis on the French Wikipedia make a sound file for us. The IPA pronunciations are virtually useless. - Nunh-huh 04:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Well I dug around and found a "pronunciation giude" on Moet Hennessy USA's site. I think that counts as a reliable source. It had an audio file as well which I have linked in.Manning (talk) 05:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

It's reliable, but it would still be nice to have a "free" file that we could place on the page, rather than a link to a page that you have to give your birthdate to get to. - Nunh-huh 08:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I did a little reading of my own on this because I thought the pronunciation section in here seemed horrible. I've studied French for roughly 5 years now, and when normally pronouncing this word, it would be pronounced "Mow-ay" with a silent "t". However, that tréma (ë) is there for a reason, possibly to designate that this word is foreign to the French language and should not be pronounced in a typical French manner (the tréma is also used to differentiate the vowel from the one preceding, hard to say in this case). I did find a good article stating the history of the company, and it turns out that Claude Moët was indeed French, but his name is Dutch. Whether the tréma is there in the Dutch name is a matter of someone who speaks Dutch, but the article did clear up the proper pronunciation, and it is indeed "Mo-wett" as I thought.

"However, according to any French dictionary it is pronounced without a "t", with the exception of it being following by a vowel. i.e. in Moët et Chandon it is pronounced 'Mo-ett".

This is very true, but not applicable to this situation at all. This is referred to as "liaison" and is a notorious part of the French language that makes it often sound so harmonious. Let's assume for a moment that the tréma isn't there though. The word by itself would be pronounced "Mo-way". With the "et" afterwards, the two together would be pronounced "Mo-way-tay" whereas "et" by itself is pronounced "ay". Liaison is the act of pronouncing the last consonant of a word in front of the vowel of the next word. That tréma is what changes the pronunciation, not the fact there is a vowel in the next word. You have to look at it as moving the "t" onto the beginning of "et", not pronouncing the "t" on the end of "Moët". Crmadsen (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, without complicating things with grammatical rules, I'd just like to mention that I've visited them in Épernay, and they themselves pronounce the "t", that goes both for their tour guides and the sound track of their recorded presentation of the company. Tomas e (talk) 07:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

We just need to find a good source for what you're saying, and we can clear up the mess in the pronunciation section. Crmadsen (talk) 12:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed claim

I removed the following regarding the "Be Fabulous" limited release: This bottle has been sold in auctions for more than $2000 due to its rarity and limited quantity.

I did a web search and promptly found a bottle for under USD$100, and no mention of any such auction results. Manning (talk) 22:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)