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Headcorn & Maidstone Junction Light Railway

Okay i've had a go. It was missing e.g.{{BS3||BHF|||Banana}}. BS3 or similar must be inserted at the start plus extra lines so that the line can be positioned and that. BS3 is a good one to use as most things can be experimented with this. You must also use the preview button to check if you are doing the right things. For further help in these template, see WP:RDT. I hope this is useful. Simply south 19:51, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Btw, i hope the help i provided here wasn't too complicated. Simply south 19:46, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Chemin de Fer de la Baie de Somme (CFBS)

Well, the use of those icons is certainly creative and could work. A problem is, how are you going to (if this is needed) show a closed section of both standard gauge and dual guage...? Simply south (talk) 19:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Fortunately I won't need to in this case. Expect I'd use the dotted tunnel symbols if I had to! Mjroots (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Producing new railway symbols is a trivial task, see Talk:Wealdway for "some that I did earlier"!

ClemRutter (talk) 13:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

You replaced my external link with an interwiki link, and now there is no link to the French article showing! Do you know how to make the link work or should I revert to an external link? Mjroots (talk) 09:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

The interwiki link is shown at the left in your browser window (in the Languages box below the toolbox). Interwiki links are precisely used to link articles on the same subject from the different wikipedias (here, Chemin de Fer de la Baie de Somme and fr:Chemin de fer de la baie de Somme. In the french wikipedia I have also replaced the external link by the interwiki link ([1]).
Regards, Chphe (talk) 10:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for fixing the link. I think the article is great and informative (from another rail fan)....good work. Lazulilasher (talk) 17:19, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

CFBS DYK

I corrected the hook and moved it to the 6th ... it should "go" in about 2-8 hours from now Victuallers (talk) 23:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

It's now in the queue to be on the main page, in about 6-8 hours. --EncycloPetey (talk) 23:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Railway templates

I've knocked off a couple, but couldn't understand what you meant on the others, so to aid understanding. If you say

I want a template to blah blah:
This will be a mixture of BSicon_tKRZ and BSicon_tpot, but using the pink 
used in BSicon_Barbie, then I can go straight to it and it is a five minute task.

To do it yourself is easy.

  1. Download Inkscape and install it.
  2. In wiki- find the icons you are about to use. Double click on the file names. The files will open in separate inkscapes. Save as to directory sandbox.
  3. Goto the first file. Choose icon object ungroup. Select the bit you wish to delete using top arrow on left icon bar- (can be a bit funny-if it wont choose the second arrow- now goback and select with the first). Grab it and move it to the side- now use delete key.
  4. File Import- Sandbox/second file. It will place itself on the workspace. Select, move to side, ungroup, and delete bits- move in the bits you want.

There's no mystery. But do say what you need. ClemRutter (talk) 15:52, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

ClemRutter (talk) 17:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Cromer sta

See reply. Simply south (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hundred of Hoo Railway

I've noticed your fantastic work on this line, creating pages for all the stations and rectifying errors in the article. I will need to check in my copy of Branch Lines to Allhallows to see if a date is mentioned for the closure of Grain Crossing Halt - Subterranea Britannica [2] and Kent Rail [3] give different dates. I've also got two more images to add, perhaps I might try and see if some can be found for the stations you've added. Ravenseft (talk) 20:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm happy to leave it as stands, but for the sake of completeness there is some indication that passenger services at Grain temporarily ceased between early June and September 1951. In the Branch Lines book it is said that "the halt ceased to be used after 6th June 1951", and here [4] refers to a "temp closure" as far as Port Victoria. On another note, one thing that has been bothering me is whether there was an interchange at Gravesend Central for the Gravesend West line, or whether the route map should be amended to show that line as passing straight over (?) the Hoo line? Ravenseft (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I suppose I should get around to "inling" this article, seems that it may have potential one day to become a FA or GA. My priority at the moment is to plug the gaps in terms of missing former lines and stations in the south-east. On that note, does Itchingfield Junction ring a bell at all? I've put together a route map (here) but am not at all happy with the way the triangular south-facing junction is shown. Ravenseft (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Steyning Line

Interesting, I had never heard of the line being referred to as such. I took the "Steyning Line" from James Buckman's excellent book of the same name published in 2002. With regard to Itchingfield Junction, I think you have put your finger on the problem?: the spur to the Cranleigh Line which should in fact be a triangular junction allowing through running to the south. I'll try and tweak it somehow. Ravenseft (talk) 19:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

East Kent Light Railway Diagram Template

My first thought when you changed the BS7-2 diagram back to the template was that you were suggesting that the template be used. Now I realise that possibly you don't like the new layout with the stations on separate sides of the diagram. Personally I think any change that separates stations in this way is an improvement but I'm not always right so by all means come to my talk page and tell me what you think. Britmax (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Disused Railways template

Just wondering if you have a particular view on the route template to be used for disused lines, there are some who prefer to use the (in my view) awful US template "historical railways" when talking about what we mean by "disused railways", see the discussion here - [5] if you want to add your ha'penny worth. I noticed you used "disused" for the Hoo stations. Ravenseft (talk) 09:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've put it up for discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK Railways#Disused.2FHistorical route info template. Ravenseft (talk) 21:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

IOM railway templates

Hi, thanks for correcting the Foxdale line template - I can't believe I showed the junction like that! I have amended the Ramsey and Peel line templates accordingly. Best Witchwooder (talk) 20:42, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for drawing the Manx Northern Railway article to my attention. I'll continue the discussion there. Best Witchwooder (talk) 08:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

List of UK railfan Jargon

Hi Mjroots. In truth, all of the ones that currently don't have reference need them. The unsourced tag at the top of the page is intended to tell editors this, without having to go through and tag each item in the list individually, which would be tedious. There are a number of entries that should be easy enough to find references for - Super Gronk, Flying Banana and Gricer are all examples and there are plenty more. The rest are going to be hard to find reliable sources for, I think and I will likely remove them after the end of the month.

So in short, the citation needed tag is somewhat redundant, though there's no particular harm in adding it if you want. Best, Gwernol 16:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. Best, Gwernol 18:55, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I would not consider that a reliable source. I'm sure the article is in fact a direct copy of an earlier version of the Wikipedia article - I'm sure we could comb through the history to find the exact same text on Wikipedia. Its quite common to find modified versions of Wikipedia articles republished on the web - in this case the text is intact but the formatting has changed. Obviously we can't source an article from a copy of the article :-) Gwernol 14:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
With reference to your comments on my talk page, I am also replying here. A reference to a professionally published magazine would be excellent. I apologise if you feel i have been too hasty in my actions, but the links provided werent really satisfactory as per WP:REFB, and I did give reasoning for the deletion. I think that deletion of the links and asking for new references is better than deleting the articles in question. Deckchair (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Regarding source, I don't think we can use it. Its a personal website, not an independent, published source. The verifiability policy is clear that "...self-published books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, forum postings, and similar sources are largely not acceptable" as sources (my emphasis). The problem is anyone could put up a personal website saying anything. If we could use that as a source it would be trivially easy for any person to get any incorrect fact sourced and inserted into Wikipedia. To avoid this we insist on reliable sources: "Articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". Best, Gwernol 12:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Higham Station

Yes, but aren't the route boxes limited to public stations? Ravenseft (talk) 16:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ireland Railways Wikiproject

I saw your discussion about the coverage of the UK rail wikiproject and the ensuing debate which concluded that Ireland should be kept separate. I wanted to let you know that I came across another user particularly interested in Ireland's railways and I recommended that, provided there is sufficient interest, he put together a wikiproject for Ireland's railways. He's now floated a proposal here. Ravenseft (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

French railways

Hi off hand that looks like a great article of which I can see you've put a lot of work into, Congrats. Thanks for the welcome again, somebody has complained at me already but I removed their message. I'll give it a read later or tomorrow, off hand though it looks like there are way too many images, and might need some extra references but looks great!! Hope you are well ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:06, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

OMGGGGG!!! I didn't realise it was a brand new article!!!!!!! Friggin 'eck amigo thats a brilliant new article!!!!! It looks like it is an article that is at least a year old not just a few hours!! I'm very impresssed! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Well they are particularly great images I have to admit. These are the "real encyclopedia" articles I am always talking about that are missing and they are many thousands like this that could be written. Perhaps you could organize the images one left, one right etc so it looks more balanced perhaps. Perhaps you wouldn't mind if I can try to organize the pictures a bit? I won't remove any yet. Keep up the great work. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks OK now I think. I see it is a featured article on french wikipedia. I am amazed that this article didn't exist, even a stub. It just shows you how many important articles are missing which are fully developed on other wikipedias. I see very few articles being started like this translated from other wikipedias. I'd imagine you will propose it for a DYK ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 22:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Chemin de Fer de Côtes du Nord

I'm not a railway specialist but a spent a few time to read your article and the french one.

  • The name of the french article is Chemin de fer de Côtes du Nord and not Chemin de Fer de Côtes du Nord. I think you should rename the article.
  • The exact french term is voies ferrées d'intérêt local and not just intérêt local : voies ferrées d'intérêt local is the term who whas used to described this kind of lines in some french law-> I change this in the article.

I'll try to find some more time to re-read these articles this week-end. Yves-Laurent (talk) 23:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I did not know the english acronym for CF.
I haven't got a knowledge of the use of voies ferrées d'intérêt local. It's seem to appear like this in some french law. But in french we often reduce some sentence in every day use. So, it possible that this sentence is reduced to d'intérêt local for the french railway expert. If english book use d'intérêt local, you should do this too.
Yves-Laurent (talk) 08:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi Mjroots, nice job on the Chemin de Fer de Côtes du Nord article. I haven't gone through the GA/FA process myself, although I've contributed to several articles that have. So I'm probably not the best person to ask about this. You might ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains as they've helped several articles though the process. I made a couple of minor edits to the article, and I have a couple of books on French minor railways which I might be able to use to add more sourced information. Let me know if I can be of further help. Best, Gwernol 22:48, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi, I saw your help request on the French "Portail Ferrovipédia". As I'm the principal author of the french article, I can perhap's help you but I'm very occuped so I can't say you when I will do this... Fibo.cdn —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.236.136.63 (talk) 18:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Peterborough East station

I saw your fingerprints on the Peterborough East article. I've just reorganised the potentially excellent article into some sort of order and wikified it abit. I was wondering, on the off chance, if perhaps you had sufficient knowledge of the station to add in the missing routeboxes? I ask because I think it's a station with an interesting history and with potentially several routes having run through it. Ravenseft (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Herford East Branch Line

Okay thanks. Actually, the link to Hertford North was not separate, but the line was severed beyond Hertford East. I will correct the template to show this. Simply south (talk) 23:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I only took this from what i found on the Discover Hertford website and Multimap. I wish i had that book. Simply south (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Could you just check if the former station was on the former line, or when the station was relocated, did the former line branch off before the former site? Simply south (talk) 23:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Was it...
Hertford East Branch Line
LUECKE
BHF
Hertford North
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LUECKE exSTR
Hertford Loop Line
exBHF
Former site of Hertford East
xKBFa
Hertford East TL329129

or was it

Hertford East Branch Line
LUECKE
BHF
Hertford North
eABZlf exSTRlg
LUECKE exSTR
Hertford Loop Line
exSTR exKBFa
Former site of Hertford East
exABZrg exSTRrf
xKBFa
Hertford East TL329129

Simply south (talk) 23:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks good. According to here, the line did join the Hertford Loop Line but it seems in the direction of Hertford North, not Stapleford. But then again it could have been on a junction in both ways, with an interchange at Hertford North. Simply south (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for pointing that out as i misread the article. I have corrected the information now. I have also added your original template to the main one and tweaked it slightly. Is it about right?
Something keeps bugging me. I think i read somewhere that the original name for Hertford East station was County School. Simply south (talk) 01:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

GA

Did you have any particular line in mind or just wanted a railway line? I could see what i could suggest or help with otherwise. Simply south (talk) 11:36, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about it but i can still give some general pointers on some things missing. I've never done a proper GA review. I'll see what i can do.
Here thing's to start off which certainly need sorting out:
  • All or most paragraphs must have references. These can either be cited using templates or (what i find best using) Harvard. So where you got the information from needs to link to maybe pages in the books, brochures etc. Most of the material i see on the article is unreferenced and need to link to the sources you have provided.
  • There are huge white spaces in the article, there needs to be some rearranging of pictures and information to sort this out.
  • Possibly, just my opinion, some of the setences are too long and could be split up a bit.
  • There needs to be an expansion on World War II and the line today. Are there any future uses? It seems the article focusses a lot on the history but does not give much weight on the rest.

I hope this helps. Simply south (talk) 14:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

See reply i am about to leave on the talk page. Simply south (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I just moved a couple more. How does it look now? Simply south (talk) 16:25, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

African Railways

Sure, I have a go. But where exactly do you want the centre rails-- I have a tape measure if you want to send me on a site visit.ClemRutter (talk) 12:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


expense!? Lend me your white van, we'll load up on duty free on the way back and we'll make a profit. I took some photos of the Aire de la Baie de Somme and it's windmill in 2003- its a regular overnighting stop each July.ClemRutter (talk) 12:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Richboro Port railway station

Okay, this one's weird. The article got moved from Richboro Port railway station to Richborough Port railway station, then to Richboro Port Railway station. At this point, Richborough Port railway station and Richboro Port railway station were deleted, then Richboro Port Railway station got moved back to Richboro Port railway station. The talk page also appears to have survived the trip. There's no significant deleted history anywhere, so I think everything's all right? Let me know if I'm reading this wrong and anything needs fixing. east.718 at 17:10, March 14, 2008

I had to log in with my admin account to see the edit you mention[6], but it appears my involvement was to revert the blanking of the page. I'd still hold that a double-redirect is better than an empty page (which wouldn't be deleted normally, see WP:CSD), though obviously just fixing the redirect until the move is repaired would have sufficed. Sadly, simply blanking the page isn't enough to allow you to move pages over redirects. I ramble! Sorry for the misunderstanding, and if you ever do need help with this sort of thing again, please feel free to leave a note on my logged-in user talkpage. Ciao, and thanks for the note! 207.145.133.34 (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Swinden Quarry railway station

Hi Mjroots. Proposed deletions don't show up on the AfD page. All that happens when you add a prod tag to a page is that the page gets tagged. No other pages are effected. After 5 days if the proposed deletion is unchallenged the page will be reviewed by an admin and either deleted or the prod tag will be removed. Best, Gwernol 13:51, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Right, Prod is designed for "non-controversial" deletions, where the article is obviously in breach of our policies and guidelines and doesn't require further discussion. AfD is for articles where there discussion is needed to decide if it should be deleted or not. If anyone removes the Prod tag, for any reason, that indicates that the proposed deletion is disputed, so an AfD discussion is required. Best, Gwernol 14:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Isle of Wight

Thanks for the comments and well spotted on Ashey Quarry. I've used ENDE as I think DST (or the terminal version) is too heavy for a few quarry sidings. What do you think? Britmax (talk) 12:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Engerth locomotives

Hi Mjroots. Thanks for the link - I haven't seen that before, very nice. I have a book somewhere that has a good section on the Engerth locomotives. Now, if I could just find it... Nice work on the article too. Best, Gwernol 21:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Railways in Morbihan / Chemins de Fer en Morbihan

Bonjour,

J'ai une carte du réseau du Morbihan. Je n'ai pas à ce jour de cartes d'autres départements, mais j'y travaille. fr:User:Sardon 16:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hundred of Hoo Railway

I'll have to double check this point this evening, although I'm 90% sure that I would not have included it in the article without having read it in a reliable source. In any event, I think the edit still counts as "vandalism" as the user removed a chunk of text without any explanation. Ravenseft (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Having looked again at the original material, it seems that electrification was indeed proposed for the whole line except the branch to Allhallows, but it was decided to leave the whole line out of the Kent Coast programme. I've now amended the text accordingly. Ravenseft (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about not explaining my edit to the Hundred of Hoo entry. I hit the submit before putting in my reason for the edit, as it was not made clear that an explanantion was mandatory, perhaps you should add that for newbies like me. I was trying to think of a justification for the edit but could not think of one as you cannot justify a negative, so in the end I just submitted it to see what happens next. I had assumed that it would be moderated and checked before appearing on Wiki. I could have left the error there for all to read. Next time I will make sure say why I am editing something, even if it's difficult to prove. I have been studying this line for over 20 years, so it's obvious to me that it was never electrified, without checking any references. JohnERussell (talk) 21:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

lb/in²

The MOSNUM discussion seems to have got side-tracked. I'd prefer an "f" but it was the "psi"-"lb(f)/in²" question not the "lb"-"lbf" question that was bugging me. On that I can't see any consensus. Try {{convert|123|lb/in2|abbr=on}}, {{convert|100|kg/cm2|MPa lb/in2|abbr=on}}, {{convert|2|kg/cm2|kPa lb/in2|abbr=on}}, etc. JЇѦρ 07:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Engerth locomotive

I didn't say it was impossible, just that it was unlikely :) Thanks for the follow-up. Gatoclass (talk) 04:00, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

CFDF

Sorry, my mistake. I guess my (French) is even weaker than I thought. The MOSNUM post brought me in to see the article and I couldn't pass it up. In any case, the kg isn't a unit of pressure, so I'd suggest you may want to ask yourself how reliable the source is. And their three digit accuracy in a boiler pressure rating is hilarious. They're lucky to know one significant digit given the variations in rivets, welds, rust, and so on. Good luck.LeadSongDog (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Got a ref that says that's how to read between the lines?LeadSongDog (talk) 21:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
See if you can find "The Last Steam Locomotives of Western Europe" in a library near you. LeadSongDog (talk) 22:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Levisham railway station

Following your suggestion I have changed the references to this article to inline citations/references (and added a few more); I would appreciate your feedback on the result.

Whilst on the subject I feel there is a need for one or possibly two citation templates tailored to citing from minute books, with fields for minute number(s) and date(s) plus one for The (UK) Nation Archives piece reference number. It may be that this needs to be a nested template to deal separately with minute books and TNA refs. (Unless you can point me at a suitable existing template of course)

BTW my interest in Levisham station might have something to do with being its volunteer Station Master from 1974 until poor health caused me to stand down in the early 1990's (could no longer do my turns as signalman). XTOV (talk) 00:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: De Dion Bouton

Heh, yeah. I like to go through and make quick improvement updates like that while I work through the assessments. One of the tenets that my Boy Scout troop followed was to always leave a campsite in a better state than it was when we arrived, so I keep up with that practice where I can.

It still seems like there are way too many places calling the same reference pages (multiple times within the same sentence, for example, seems a little excessive), and while the refs listed are good, there could be more from other sources. Slambo (Speak) 15:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


Hastings Line

Re your recent revert (which I have left untouched), please see the talk page of the article for a possible solution to any accusation of linkspam. Mjroots (talk) 10:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Your solution is a good idea, if I get a chance I will develop the citation templates for the other Quail atlases, so there can be used here and in other articles as appropriate. --Stewart (talk) 10:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
I have created the citation template for Vol 5 Quail - {{Quail-5}} - using WorldCat to verify the ISBN and OCLC numbers. As a result I have placed the route map into a template and checked it against my version of Quail (first edition) and Jowett. By representing the sources within the references section, both Jowett and Quail are listed. This is process that I am following as I work around the Scottish rail network. I do not intend to work on english and welsh lines for the time being. Hope this helps. --Stewart (talk) 18:24, 15 April 2008 (UTC)