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[edit] Reiko Aylesworth

Shooting Vegetarians should be 2001, not 2005 which is why I changed it. 2005 is the release date on DVD, it was filmed in 2001. Also, the (Four Episodes) note for The American Embassy is correct as the character was not in two of the six that were shot. But thanks for messing with the page and screwing up the work a lot of people have done to it.--MiB-24 (talk) 01:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

MiB-24, If you are going to work on a collaborative project, you should learn to assume good faith on the part of your fellow editors. I made the edits to improve the article. Chronological lists on Wikipedia are supposed to begin with the earliest item and go to the latest item. Having years span multiple rows makes the table code unnecessarily complicated, making it harder for others to edit, and harder to reorder if required. (Also row-spans cannot be properly sorted under the sortable table style.)
With respect to Shooting Vegetarians, all online source including the New York Times list it as a 2005 release (which is the dating convention used on Wikipedia for films). Regardless of when it was filmed, it has to be shown publically (such as at a film festival) or released for sale, to have a release date. Can you provide a source for a showing earlier than 2005?
Sincerely —MJBurrage(T•C) 02:51, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I lost the ability to assume good faith long ago when I see people running over the rules and getting away with it. I was a member here once before and left for over a year because I had uploaded over a dozen pictures to the site. These were pictures I took which meant I held the copyright to them. They were unique, added valuable content to the pages, and existed for months without so much as one complaint. However, someone who didn’t like them tagged them as being in violation of copyright. Despite my efforts, an admin deleted all of them.
Oh, as for a source for Shooting Vegetarians being shot earlier than 2005, take your pick. Actually, it looks like it was shot in 1999, not 2001. Thank God for Lexis-Nexis.

  • “Filming in the US.” Daily Variety. (28 May 1999) p. 19
  • Grant, Kieran. “Bash Time for Oasis.” Toronto Sun. (26 April 2002) p. 65.
  • Worrell, Kris. “Film Festival Frenzy First-Ever Fest Takes Woodstock in New Direction, but Music Still has Starring Role.” The Times Union, (Albany, NY) (17 September 2000) p. I-1.
  • Associated Press. “You Won’t See These Films at Multiplex.” Press of Atlantic City. (20 September 2000) p. B-8.
  • Vellucci, Michelle. “Hours of Joy Fill today’s Film Fest.” Poughkeepsie Journal. (23 September 2000)

--MiB-24 (talk) 04:03, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

MiB-24, I looked over the Lexis-Nexis articles and they boiled down to the project being filmed in 1999 and 2000, followed by:
  • Woodstock Film Festival, September 2000
    • Planned to show Shooting Vegetarions, "A Work in Production" by Mikey Jackson
  • Nodance Film and Multimedia Festival, January 2001
    • Planned to show the "world premiere" of Shooting Vegetarians (Mikey Jackson)
  • North By Northeast music festival (NXNE) June 2002
    • Planned to show a "world premiere sneak preview" of Shooting Vegetarions (This suggests that the film did not actually run at Nodance 2001.)
There was no other mention of the film until 2005, no reviews, no comments etc.
While IMDb is not perfect, it is generally pretty good on release dates. Furthermore, every source I found that dates the film gives it a date of 2005.
From all of this I would guess that the film was unfinished from the end of principal photography in 2000 until is DVD release in 2005.
Do you by any chance know what the copyright date is on the DVD, or do you know of an article that gives more detail than the above? —MJBurrage(T•C) 05:42, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

If it was shown at film festivals, it was completed. The reason it was not put out on DVD until 2005 was simply because getting very low budget, independent films onto DVD is a hard thing to do. On the DVD commentary, the director said he has been trying for 3 years to get it onto DVD and this was back in 2004. (He gives the current date as they were doing the commentary as being “2004.”) As for IMDB and Amazon.com, those sites should never be considered reliable; at least no more than this place is. Go to Amazon.com and search for “Reiko Aylesworth,” “Kiefer Sutherland,” “Carlos Bernard,” “Elisha Cuthbert,” or any other notable 24 actor. You will find all kinds of crap including Penthouse and Playboy videos all because some idiot added their names to over 100 DVDs, books, CDs, etc. About IMDB, it took me nearly 6 months to get Reiko added to the cast of Mr. Brooks despite articles saying she was in it; 2 months to fix someone’s screw up on The Knights of Prosperity; 6 months to add Sherman’s March, etc. etc. etc. Also, now maybe you see why I no longer assume good faith. I could have found 200 sources and you would simply torpedo them as well. --MiB-24 (talk) 06:14, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

In your response to the above, you say that if it was shown at a festival then it must have been complete, but the first festival listed specifically say it was still a work in progress. The second festival says it will be a world premiere, but so does the third from a year later. You can't have two world premiers. Also all of the Lexis Nexis articles and the related festival pages were written before the festivals happened. If a finished version was shown at the third festival, then why do all sites about the film including for example the New York Times say it is a 2005 release. All I am looking for is even one review or description, after the fact, of a showing from a festival before 2005. Basically a citable source to contradict the film distributor's 2005 release date. (Since Wikipedia's guidelines are for films to be listed by release date rather than production date.) —MJBurrage(T•C) 06:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Fine, whatever. As usual I have to encounter someone who has to be so obtuse about all of this that the only way it will end is you whining “edit war” to an admin. Nice picking and choosing of the rules to support your abstract view of how Wikipedia should be run. Your little note on Shooting Vegetarians does NOT resolve this issue. You are another perfect example of why good faith should NEVER, ever be assumed about any edits. Dealing with people like you who do not have any desire to actually improve the content here gives me a headache. Go find some other good page to destroy. I’m done talking to you. --MiB-24 (talk) 14:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Amsterdam (TV series)

Hello, I was happy to see someone had started a timeline and was keeping track of this info. Would you be interested in contributing info to the forums of NewAmsterdam-Forever.com by any chance? Thanks --John T. Folden (talk) 08:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey again, I have an account at FOX's press site and so generally have access to material for future episodes. Fair point on his sobriety. --John T. Folden (talk) 17:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It may be in the unaired pilot, but without a source, we can't prove that. Aired material is valid without a cited source, because it's implicitly the aired material itself. However, if it's unaired, it's impossible to just look up the show online and verify. ColdFusion650 (talk) 18:48, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I never said sources had to be online. I just said that they had to be cited. ColdFusion650 (talk) 18:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Notice how in the Buffy pilot that you mentioned, the article cites an interview with Joss Whedon, TV.com, and the BBC. That article has sources. ColdFusion650 (talk) 19:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

re: production codes. The official episode descriptions from FOX list Reclassified and Love Hurts as NAM-108 and NAM-107 respectively. The promo pictures released for each episode are, also, labeled as 108 and 107. --John T. Folden (talk) 14:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Jericho map

I guess its possible that the ASA in Jericho controls Alaska, but it isn't stated by the show. I suppose it might be good to add an unclear/mixed control color for Louisiana, Alaska, and Hawaii. You may want to contact the creator of the SVG map to request for that uploader to make that change. Hello32020 (talk) 23:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

You may also want to say that for Minnesota too, because the Mississippi River begins and is located within the state. Another thing would be to ask if it would be possible to add the Blue Line to the map. Hello32020 (talk) 23:33, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] new amsterdam tv series infobox episodes

Hey thanks for clearing that up for me. I was always told that production was not counted for. 35.11.200.66 (talk) 18:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)