Talk:Mixed-sex education

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While I understand the motives behind not having the "ah-ha" at the end, I do think it's pretty funny and it doesn't hurt anyone. Can I get an amen?

You can get an Ah-ha! What I'd like to know is how it got in without showing on the history log. Is somebody hacking Wikipedia? --Wake 03:29, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC)

huh?


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[edit] Informal use of Coed

The "informal" use of the term "coed" is actually pejorative. By implicating that only a woman is a coed, it reflects an era where women were not permitted access to higher education and thus an attempt to emphasize this fact.

I do not advocate for the removal of the term in this sense, I just think that the sexist nature should be pointed out. Coed in description of a coeducational residence/program/institution is good. Coed to describe a woman is bad. --Waterspyder 02:17, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I'd just as soon have the sentence about "coed" striken entirely from this article entirely and just leave it to a seperate article. In the US for those born after the massive wave of integration of universities all "coed" means is a female college student of traditional college age. Jon 15:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

But that doesn't answer the question of why the term is used for females only. Why couldn't a male student at a coeducational school be considered just as much of a "co-ed" as a female student? JackofOz 05:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Male students just aren't considered co-ed in current US speech even if they are attending a formally all-female school. It's not the wikipedia's job to make value judgements anyway. Jon 17:56, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criteria for inclusion

How do we decide what schools should and should not be listed on this page? It seems to me that a comprehensive list would span many, many pages, and there are currently no criteria for what schools appear. I'm seeing schools on there that I have never personally heard of, while other schools that I think should be mentioned are missing. I am tempted to add the dates I can source-cite, but not delist any colleges until a consensus is met. In particular, why is Rose-Hulman listed while Caltech and MIT are not? I feel all three of these should be included. I'm currently writing a paper on the gender disparity in scientific and engineering fields, and I'm finding this list useful in background on the lack of access for women to the basic knowledge needed to conduct scientific research up until the 1960's, and even beyond. Also, if we define "coeducational from start" and "became coeducational", then the entire list of all higher education universities must be contained in the union of those two sets. Perhaps, instead, "coeducational from start, prior to 1970", and "became coeducational" would be better categorization, since it appears to be a "default" that the majority of colleges founded since 1970 have been coeducational, and thus their creation is no longer worthy of mention in an article about coeducation. --ElizabethFong 19:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Florida State information conflicts across the Wiki

On this page, Florida State is listed as beiing coed since 1882, but on [[1]] it's listed as only being coed since 1947.

The Florida State University article gives a nice background on its coeducational history, but in particular it says: "On May 15, 1947, the Governor of Florida signed an act of the Legislature returning Florida State College for Women to coeducational status and naming it The Florida State University." Based on the information at that article, it was originally a men's college, became coeducational, changed to a women's college when the University of Florida became a men's college, and then reverted back to coeducational. Based on that, I would say that FSU has been continuously coeducational only since 1947, and this article (Coeducation) should be updated accordingly. Beginning 00:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JHU co-ed

JHU Med School did not go co-ed in 1893, but the first woman did become a Doctor that year from the grad school, by earning a PhD in Geology. For the reason that it was not co-ed from the begining, I am shifting JHU into the 'year went co-ed' category, and changing the listing to Grad School. source Desertsky85451 00:06, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] To hyphenate or not to hyphenate

Maybe this is kind of nitpicky (or is it nit-picky?), but I was wondering why "coeducational" or "coed" is written half the time in this article, and "co-educational" or "co-ed" is written the other half. Is there any sort of consensus, or is this just a reflection of the different preferences by different contributors? Merriam-Webster seems to prefer not hyphenating, but I don't know whether it's that big of a deal to try to go in and enforce one spelling or the other. It just looks weird to see things like "Coeducation in China" followed on the next line by "Co-education in Hong Kong", as if the political distinction also created a hyphenational distinction. (unknown anous)

Could be another one of those American English vs British English things. Jon 18:00, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coeducational Universities in Europe?

I don't feel qualified to add this material myself, because I know very little about it, but I know that women's education was undergoing many changes in Europe in the 19th century as well, one example being Jagiellonian University, in Krakow, Poland, which was awarding degrees to women as early as 1824, and gradually opening its colleges and faculties to women through the turn of the century. It was easier for an Austrian woman in the early 20th Century to get a university education in Krakow than in Vienna. Is there anyone, perhaps among our European contributors, who can add to this article?

Perhaps the same could also be done for other regions of the world, by those better informed than myself.

[edit] Name change

Coeducation does not specify in its name that it refers to the mixing of genders within teaching. "Mixed-sex education", it is much more suitable term, since not only is the name also used more commonly, but it is more accurate in its meaning, and also also fits in with the format laid out by the name of the article Single-sex education. Please discuss. An alternative would be "Multi-sex education". Hamletpride (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)