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[edit] Mitsubishi technologies

Looking at the various articles and redirects in Category:Mitsubishi technologies, there's inconsistency iun the way we've named articles. I'm wondering if this could be tidied, considering the guideline at WP:NAME#Prefer spelled-out phrases to abbreviations:

  • Active Yaw Control: AYC is spelled out in full. Does not use "Mitsubishi". AYC is a disambiguation page.
  • Active-Trac (redirect): Does not use "Mitsubishi".
  • INVECS: An acronym; pronounced as a single word. Does not use "Mitsubishi".
  • MIEV: An acronym; pronounced as a single word. Does not use "Mitsubishi" (already part of the abbreviation).
  • MIVEC: An acronym; pronounced as a single word. Does not use "Mitsubishi" (already part of the abbreviation).
  • Mitsubishi ACD (redirect): Should this follow AYC, and be spelled out in full as Active Center Differential? ACD can then redirect to it.
  • Mitsubishi GDI (redirect): Not a lot we can do with this, as gasoline direct injection as a general article already exists. The exception that proves the rule? Unless... Gasoline Direct Injection is only a redirect. Since GDI (with a capital "i") is a Mitsubishi trademark, perhaps the category entries curently at Mitsubishi GDI could be moved there...? That means it wouldn't affect the Gasoline direct injection (GDi) page which is more about the technology in general.
  • Mitsubishi M-ASTC (redirect): Surely "Mitsubishi" isn't necessary as that'll be what the "M" stands for. the existence of M-ASTC as a redirect should be sufficient, although I think it should also be spelled out (as Mitsubishi Active Skid and Traction Control) and the categorizing done there. Also, ASTC can become a disambiguation page instead of a redirect, and Active Skid and Traction Control can be added there which also redirects.
  • Mitsubishi MATT (redirect): Again, the "M" in MATT is Mitsubishi, so I think "Mitsubishi" itslf is redundant. MATT is empty and I suspect this is meant to be pronounced as an acronym, so maybe that's where the primary redirect (with categorization) should be?
  • Mitsubishi MD (Modulated Displacement) (redirect): Can we get away with Modulated Displacement (with a capital "D") as our categorized page? It's a redlink at present.
  • Mitsubishi MultiMode ABS (redirect): Again, I think we can drop "Mitsubishi". The generic phrase "multimode ABS" seems to exist on Google, but camelcase spelling seems unique to Mitsubishi, so MultiMode ABS should be enough for us. Do we really need to categorize this though? Is it just Mitsubishi's name for their ABS, or have they added something unique to it?
  • Mitsubishi RISE: How about moving this to just RISE (Mitsubishi). That would allow the "pipe trick" to work. Unfortunately, because they can't seem to make up their mind whether it's "Reinforced" or "Realized", we can't spell it out. It being an acronym anyway, "RISE" is better.
  • Mitsubishi S-AWC: This one, I'm thinking, could be a merge candidate. All Wheel Control is a redlink. I think that should be the primary target, with Super-All Wheel Control and S-AWC redirecting. S-AWC is just a development of AWC after all, so maybe this article could be expanded to include the old technology as well, with an explanation of what's been added to make it "Super"?
  • Mitsubishi Smart Idling (redirect): Spelled out in full, already uses "Mitsubishi" in the abbreviation (MSI), so I think this is OK.
  • Mitsubishi Sport ABS (redirect): This time I don't think we can drop "Mitsubishi". The generic phrase "Sport ABS" seems to exist on Google, and the first link is to Honda. As with Mitsubishi MultiMode ABS, I'm not sure this needs categorization as it's a generic technology, not something unique to MMC.
  • Mitsubishi Twin Clutch SST. I think this can just be moved to Twin Clutch SST over the redirect. In this case, Mitsubishi's repeated reference to it in this manner means that I don't think we should bother spelling out Sport Shift Transmission.
  • Mitsubishi Vertical Vortex (redirect): Nothing wrong with this. Spelled out in full and "Mitsubishi" is part of the MVV abbreviation.
  • Silent Shaft (redirect): Nothing wrong with this. Spelled out in full, and does not need or use "Mitsubishi".
  • Super Select: Nothing wrong with this. Spelled out in full, and does not need or use "Mitsubishi".


So, out of the ones above, I'd propose the following changes:

  1. Move Mitsubishi ACD to Active Center Differential
  2. Move Mitsubishi GDI to Gasoline Direct Injection (maybe)
  3. Move Mitsubishi M-ASTC to Active Skid and Traction Control
  4. Move Mitsubishi MATT to MATT
  5. Move Mitsubishi RISE to RISE (Mitsubishi)
  6. Move Mitsubishi S-AWC to All Wheel Control and expand
  7. Move Mitsubishi Twin Clutch SST to Twin Clutch SST

How does that sound? Any problems or disagreements? Regards, --DeLarge 10:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

  • Active Yaw Control: Partially agree. But "Active Yaw Control" is also a generic term. [1]. Some websites and some papers online arent related to Mitsubishi's AYC. [2], [3]. "An active yaw control algorithm for wind. turbines without wind intensity and direction." and so on.... Based on this i would rename the page to Mitsubishi AYC or Mitsubishi Active Yaw Control. I know you dont like it, but the term "Active Yaw Control" is used for different purposes than Mitsubishi's AYC. I dont think it's a registered trademark.
  • Active-Trac (redirect): Agreed. Should be left as it is.
  • INVECS: Agreed. Should be left as it is.
  • MIEV: Agreed. Should be left as it is. If you google miev almost everything is related to mitsubishi's technology.
  • MIVEC: Agreed. Should be left as it is.
  • Mitsubishi ACD Agreed. If you google "Active Center Differential" almost everything is related to mitsubishi's technology.
  • Mitsubishi GDI I'm not sure about GDI. I'll leave it to you. But in the future we should create an article just for Mitsubishi's GDI. Mitsubishi Gasoline Direct Injection? maybe, cause gdi is a generic term, not just for gasoline direct injection...
  • Mitsubishi M-ASTC Agreed. A lot of pages online and mitsubishis european press kits use "Mitsubishi Active Skid and Traction Control". I would add Mitsubishi infront. [4]
  • Mitsubishi MD (Modulated Displacement) No, the term "Modulated Displacement" is generic. I know because i've saerched a lot of variable displacement articles, and a lot of companies and press media use the term as much as variable displacement. Maybe just Mitsubishi Modulated Displacement?
  • Mitsubishi MultiMode ABS (redirect): We need to catagorize it because it's not just a simple ABS system."mitsubishi multimode ABS--one of the few in the industry that identifies when you're on a loose surface and adjusts accordingly (allowing brake lock-up)." Another source. Check this out [5]

"To accommodate all the drive variations, Mitsubishi has incorporated a multimode ABS that recognizes the different drive settings and modifies ABS parameters accordingly. The system uses four wheel-speed sensors and a central G-force sensor to compare readings with a transmission-driven speed sensor. The braking is controlled via three channels: to the left and right front wheels and to the rear wheels. When the center differential is locked, the same basic parameters are applied, but to reduce the possibility of the car yawing under heavy braking, the system may reduce braking pressure on the same-side front wheel as the rear wheel, but with less grip. When the rear differential also is locked, the ABS computer lowers the slip threshold for the rear wheels to reduce the possibility of lockup."

We should put some facts about the system in the ABS article... There's not a lot of info to create a standalone article.


  • Mitsubishi RISE: Dont know. I'll leave it to you.
  • Mitsubishi S-AWC: I appose. Beacuse more info is coming about the sawc system in october, the AWC page would be getting to big. I would like to keep the S-AWC page as a standalone article and expand it even further. When the AWC page is created i would just mention the sawc as the advanced version the link it as "Main Article: S-AWC]]. I would like the sawc page to be as big as possible. More unbiased, a lot of tech info, tech links (wikilink)... And when mitsu releases EVO 11, 12 more info on developement would be available... AWC sysem is for all mitsubishi's 4WD vehicles, i would like to write about all applications that use AWC (every vehicle uses different AWC setup, Outlander, Triton, Pajero...) Like the RISE page. So both pages would have a lot of data.... I stand firmly on this, and not because i created the article! S-AWC deserves its own article, it's already large enough....

To sum it up:

  1. Move Active Yaw Control to Mitsubishi Active Yaw Control see above
  2. Move Mitsubishi ACD to Active Center Differential agreed, but than ayc has mitsubishi infront and acd hasnt because its not a geneeric term? Dillema. How about Mitsubishi Active Center Differential? dont know...
  3. Move Mitsubishi GDI to Gasoline Direct Injection (maybe) Dont know, a standalone article about mitsu's gdi should be created in the future..
  4. Move Mitsubishi M-ASTC to Active Skid and Traction Control Agreed, but i would add mitsubishi inforont, active skid is a generic term, traction control also, its like we're creating a page about all active skid and traction control technologies, not just mitsu's.?
  5. Move Mitsubishi MATT to MATT Agreed. But when you type matt in the search box it opens up the disambiguation page. It doesnt care about uppercase or lowercase, only in the adress box above it matters...? How about Mitsubishi All Terrain Technlogies (that what it stands for, and per WP:NAME#Prefer spelled-out phrases to abbreviations it's more correct.... ?
  6. Move Mitsubishi RISE to RISE (Mitsubishi) Dont know. It looks weird. You decide.
  7. Move Mitsubishi S-AWC to All Wheel Control and expand. STRONGLY APPOSE. see above
  8. Move Mitsubishi Twin Clutch SST to Twin Clutch SST AGREED.
  9. and ASC (active stability control) should redirect to Mitsubishi Active Skid and Traction Control see above

waiting for your comments...--MitsuFreak 13:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments, part one

OK, step one will be to deal with the moves we're in agreement about. To me, that means the following moves:

I'll get back to this shortly with comments on the others. --DeLarge 13:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments, part two

  • Active Yaw Control (and ACD). I'm happier leaving this where it is for now. I agree that "active yaw control" (especially without caps) is a generic phrase, but there's no reference to it on WP outside of Mitsubishi's application. Until someone comes along with the intention of expanding the article beyond what's already written, I think we can get away with "claiming ownership" of the term. This would also help with the AYC/ACD dilemma.
  • Mitsubishi GDI. I'll leave this alone for now.
  • Mitsubishi MATT (and RISE). Hmmm, since you pointed out the Matt disambiguation page I'm less inclined to move it. I'd rather not spell it out because I think it's supposed to be pronounced as a single word the same way as the name "Matt". I guess I could spell it out, or use MATT, but put a link to the dab page at the top using the {{dablink}} template. If I took that approach, could I possibly appropriate RISE as well? I'm going to have a detailed look through WP:MOSDAB and see what the policies and guidelines recommend, but I won't make changes until then.
  • Mitsubishi MD (Modulated Displacement). I'll leave this where it is for now, until one of us can come up with a good solution.
  • Mitsubishi MultiMode ABS and Mitsubishi Sport ABS. I'll leave these alone too.
  • Mitsubishi S-AWC. And I'll leave this alone as well. No point moving stuff where we're not in agreement.

I'm also going to take a break from this for a wee while, and make ASTC a dab page instead of the current redirect. --DeLarge 14:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply, part 2

take a break from what? wikipedia or mitsubishi tech naming and redirects? :) there's still a lot of work to do with tech stuff, main Mitsubishi Motors article should have a mitsubishi timeline page (everything from innovations, awards, models and so on, there's a lot of sources for this online, the engine articles are all without references, althought they are all written correctly..and so on....i'm going to start working on the AWC sandbox, should i create a sandbox, beacause there's already a redirect on the awc, how would i then move the sandbox without losing past edits? you know what i mean, then i would have to ask for deletion, i like working with sandboxes, because i like to take a few days to create an article....cheers--MitsuFreak 14:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I just meant a short break -- minutes, maybe a couple of hours. I'll need to go work on my real live Mitsubishi soon though, so I'll be disappearing later today. You're right about the work still needing done, though.
Thinking about an AWC sandbox, you should be OK move the page to Mitsubishi AWC in due course. The only problem is that you'd have to ask an administrator to perform the move because it now has multiple edits. If you tag the redirect page with {{db-author}}, and wikilink to the sandbox page in your edit summary, you can maybe get an admin to do a quick, non-controversial page move. --DeLarge 14:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
if i may ask, are you from UK or the States, and which mitsu do you drive, if it's not to personal? I always wondered, since you're a bigger "mitsu freak" than me, hehe. Oh yea, listen, if you're ok with it, can i get in touch with you somehow, (email, live messenger, and so on)? If you're ok with it, otherwise just tell me, none of my business, hehe, cheers...--MitsuFreak 14:52, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
My e-mail is enabled if you want to contact me that way. I'd prefer that, since it keeps any of my personal details and opinions off WP. --DeLarge 15:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
email sent....:-D --MitsuFreak 15:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sock puppet allegations

THIS GUY IS A CLEARLY SOCKET PUPPET. SAME IP WITH DeLarge, signed by User:Totoz 20:09, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

copy pasted from user page to talk page--MitsuFreak 03:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed the suspected sockpuppet template because it added categories which you don't belong in. Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/IP_check#Mitsufreak_and_DeLarge should only be removed by a clerk or a checkuser, but there's nothing to worry about there. The RFCU case has been removed as it wasn't requested properly & the talk page comments here should remain until you archive them. Sure it doesn't look good, but no-one takes comments made in capitals seriously so no-one's really going to think you're a sock. If there's any other sockpuppet tags go right ahead and remove them, they aren't of any use. It seems strange that s/he should just not reply for 2 days, but then again s/he might return shortly. Oh well, they won't last long if they continue to be so disruptive. Thanks, James086Talk | Email 00:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OK, sorry

Totoz - I know for an absolute fact that DeLarge and Mitsufreak are different people. You need to apologize to both of them because accusations of malign sockpuppetry are very serious complaints indeed. so, sorry. ok? it's finished. thanxTotoz 07:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

yea, no problem, i have nothing personal against you....welcome back--MitsuFreak 20:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

There's an ironic postscript to this little tale. Check out User:Totoz. --DeLarge 17:53, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

yea, i saw that about 2 weeks ago, ironic isn't it? hehe---MitsuFreak 18:16, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vidic

Can you please stop reverting the part about Nemanja Vidic scoring his fourth league goal for United against Everton; there are hundred's of football player articles on wikipedia that are frankly rubbish, full of un-referenced rubbish stuff that need expansion and cleanup. Vidic is a centre-back, he's not going to score a lot of goal in his career, all of his goals were headers that were vital to United winning the games in which he scored...Plus the goal against everton was the winning goal and he got the man of the match award for his performance. Not encyclopedic? There are million other wikipedia articles that are full of non-encyclopedic stuff, and no one is cleaning them up...cheers---MitsuFreak 11:20, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

If there are other articles that are bad, fix them. I have the Vidic one watchlisted because I created the article. One performance in one league game, with nothing particularly riding on it, is irrelevant. Go and look at some of our featured football articles to see what is and is not appropriate. I have removed the information; please do not restore it. Neil ム 11:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
i meant why dont you start cleaning bad articles, you started vidic page? so what, i created a few articles (and anyone is welcome to expand it), i doesn't mean you own them, everything you create or add to wikipedia goes undeer GNU Free Documentation License! another thing, why does only the goal against everton bother you? why don't you delete all goals that vidic score that are noted, hell, why dont you delete the whole article? according to your logic, football players shouldn't be in a encyclopedia, since they probably fail the notabillity requirement...i'll leave it for now, i dont't want to be bothered with you, even though i made more contributions to the article than you ever did...., i'll get back to you, cheers Neil---MitsuFreak 12:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
check my edits, i think we can all agree on this..cheers--MitsuFreak 13:24, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it's better now, thanks. I wasn't trying to have a go, I was just explaining why I noticed that article and not any others that are rubbish. Neil ム 13:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Cut & Paste

Do forgive me, I didn't think about the "history" aspect. The whole "letter changing" phenomenon is currently in a state of confusion with nobody anywhere knowing quite how to present anything. If I had it my way, I wouldn't have touched the Vidić article because I am in favour of those diacritics; but it is not down to me. I thought I was making a change which someone would have done at some stage in any case. Evlekis (talk) 19:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)