Talk:Mitsuo Matayoshi

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move to Mitsuo Matayoshi -- enochlau (talk) 10:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I propose a move to Matayoshi Jesus Jesus Matayoshi, because it appears to be the most common form of his name according to Google. Below are the different Google results for various forms of his name:

1. "Iesu Matayoshi" - Google hits: 183 total [1], '"Iesu Matayoshi" -wikipedia': 35 total [2]
2. "Matayoshi Iesu" - Google hits: 21 total [3], '"Matayoshi Iesu" -wikipedia': 10 total [4]
3. "Matayoshi Jesus" - Google hits: 1150 total [5], '"Matayoshi Jesus" -wikipedia': 750 total [6]
4. "Jesus Matayoshi" - Google hits: 520 total [7], '"Jesus Matayoshi" -wikipedia': 343 total [8]
5. "Mitsuo Matayoshi" - Google hits: 390 total [9], '"Mitsuo Matayoshi" -wikipedia': 296 total [10]
6. "Matayoshi Mitsuo" - Google hits: 887 total [11], '"Matayoshi Mitsuo" -wikipedia': 654 total [12]

It can be seen that Matayoshi Jesus is the most common name. But since it contradicts MOS, we have to use Jesus Matayoshi instead. WP:MOS-JA does permit a English name to be used even if it contradicts proper Japanese romanization, if the English name is more commonly used. Please support or oppose below. Awyong J. M. Salleh 05:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Support move

[edit] Oppose move

• Oppose proposed move; suggest Move to Mitsuo Matayoshi instead. See below. Neier 06:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose and support Mitsuo Matayoshi per this site, which puts Mitsuo in furigana on his katakana anyway. Dekimasuが^? 09:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose and support Mitsuo Matayoshi move. John Smith's 15:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose and support Mitsuo Matayoshi instead, per Neier and the others. Just use his real name.--Endroit 17:48, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
• Oppose and support Mitsuo Matayoshi move per above. ···日本穣^{? · Talk to Nihonjoe} 19:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion of move

Matayoshi Jesus is inappropriate for the article title given WP:MOS-JA#Names_of_modern_figures. Jesus Matayoshi would better conform with Manual of Style. Also, google hit information posted above is not quite accurate because it doesn't filter out hits of Wikipedia mirrors using "-wikipedia". -- Exitmoose 05:55, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

OK I've included the Google numbers with "-wikipedia" in the search. I would be okay with Jesus Matayoshi as well. Awyong J. M. Salleh 06:23, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I've amended the proposal to be MOS-compliant. Awyong J. M. Salleh 06:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The latest counts you gave only show a marginal majority for Jesus vs. Mitsuo. Not enough to invoke the pseudonym clause of WP:MOS-JA in my opinion. And, if you ignore multiple hits for the same labeled video(s) on "-youtube" (where most of the hits on the first page come from), the counts are:

• Matayoshi Jesus: 395 [13]
• Jesus Matayoshi: 192 [14]
• Mitsuo Matayoshi: 201 [15]
• Matayoshi Mitsuo: 585 [16]

So, this infers that outside of a very isolated internet meme, his birth name is more popular in English than his chosen name. Besides, there is nothing that I could find on his official page which lists his romanization as "Jesus". "Jesus" is our English translation of his Japanese translation of Iesous or Yeshua. If his last name was Oka, I don't think we would be discussing to change the wikipedia article name to Hill. Neier 06:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.