Wikipedia talk:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not aniconistic
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[edit] Why list on WP:DSISLAM?
This issue is directly related to Islam and in particular those who have been contributing to Islamic articles. Therefore it is perfectly logical to list this there. (→Netscott) 05:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, it is going to a group of people with a well known opinion on being aniconistic and linking them to this debate. I suggest if you want a larger audience you seek a more neutral group. I could be wrong, I removed it from the list. However, you can revert me, if you disagree. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 05:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Any Wikiproject that has aniconism as a fundamental part of the theme of it's article/editing and has a deletion sorting mechanism should be notified. Proposals like this would directly affect them. Deletion sorting lists are not POV and it's unfortunate to hear you say that in terms of WP:AGF. Anyone can join any particular deletion sorting Wikiproject. Remember it is not Muslim deletion sorting, it's Islam deletion sorting... there is a big difference. You can see this clearly if you go and have a look at WP:ISLAM (as an example). (→Netscott) 05:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I do follow the deletion sorting - which as far as I can discern does "border on canvassing" per HighInBC - but I wouldn't feel comfortable joining that project.Proabivouac 05:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see so then you as a participant in WP:DISLAM have been canvassed by me? Is that what you are saying? (→Netscott) 05:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't assume that you intended it as such, but yes, I am as a practical matter inadvertently canvassed everytime it pops up on my watchlist (though often, as here, I am already aware of the discussion, and I often agree with the prevailing sentiments of my fellow canvassees).
- I must say that "DISLAM" is sort of an unfortunate abbreviation.Proabivouac 05:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see so then you're indicting all of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting a Wikiproject that anyone can participate in, is that right? (→Netscott) 05:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Not at all. Why would you say that? In fact, I'm not indicting anyone or anything, and generally try to avoid that mindset.Proabivouac 05:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not appreciating the accusatory tone of this discussion is why I am saying that. You are fully aware that not only can anyone particpate in the deletion sorting project (regardless of POV) it is not uncommon (I would almost go so far as to say typical) to have participants on it that hold opposing views when it comes to certain deletion discussions. (→Netscott) 06:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I assumed you'd acted in good faith by listing it there, both because you thought it legitimately belonged there, and because you thought many of the project participants were being unfairly targeted by the proposal and deserved to know about it.Proabivouac 06:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not appreciating the accusatory tone of this discussion is why I am saying that. You are fully aware that not only can anyone particpate in the deletion sorting project (regardless of POV) it is not uncommon (I would almost go so far as to say typical) to have participants on it that hold opposing views when it comes to certain deletion discussions. (→Netscott) 06:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Not at all. Why would you say that? In fact, I'm not indicting anyone or anything, and generally try to avoid that mindset.Proabivouac 05:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see so then you're indicting all of Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting a Wikiproject that anyone can participate in, is that right? (→Netscott) 05:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see so then you as a participant in WP:DISLAM have been canvassed by me? Is that what you are saying? (→Netscott) 05:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I do follow the deletion sorting - which as far as I can discern does "border on canvassing" per HighInBC - but I wouldn't feel comfortable joining that project.Proabivouac 05:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Any Wikiproject that has aniconism as a fundamental part of the theme of it's article/editing and has a deletion sorting mechanism should be notified. Proposals like this would directly affect them. Deletion sorting lists are not POV and it's unfortunate to hear you say that in terms of WP:AGF. Anyone can join any particular deletion sorting Wikiproject. Remember it is not Muslim deletion sorting, it's Islam deletion sorting... there is a big difference. You can see this clearly if you go and have a look at WP:ISLAM (as an example). (→Netscott) 05:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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- I also don't think it was your intention to canvas. The policy does however say "Don't attempt to sway consensus by encouraging participation in a discussion by people that you already know have a certain point of view."
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- I do not think you were attempting to sway consensus, but I do think we all know that they will have a certain point of view. Perhaps a notice at the village pump would draw a wider audience? HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 05:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Sorry I was under the impression that Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting served the purpose of notifying editors about deletions that tend to involve topics/issues related to their areas of interest. I'll be honest and say that I've never heard of the Village pump being utilized to notify others of deletion discussions (the reality is that I haven't used the Village pump much until recently... so I don't know how it generally operates). It seems like cruft to me there though particularly given the fact that there actually is a whole project devoted to deletions. (→Netscott) 05:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I could be wrong, I don't think so, but it is distinctly possible. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 05:54, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- No worries, I will just sit back and watch this one. HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 06:03, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
- I do not think you were attempting to sway consensus, but I do think we all know that they will have a certain point of view. Perhaps a notice at the village pump would draw a wider audience? HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 05:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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