Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Lake Macquarie 2

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. If a user would like portions userfied to their userspace, please contact an admin. — xaosflux ^Talk 04:46, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Lake Macquarie

This project is dead - it has no active users, too limited a scope (one council area), and is redundant to newer and more active project WikiProject New South Wales. A proposal to merge in early August on the talk page did not generate a reply, but a merge would be difficult as the project contains no articles. Orderinchaos 09:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

For some reason I forgot to link the last MfD - Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Lake Macquarie. Orderinchaos 01:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

• Delete -- Nothing ever came of it. It can be undeleted if needed one day. -- Longhair\^talk 09:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Serious violation of WP:POINT. un-used, and covered by WP:NSW. Twenty Years 09:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
  • How is this a violation of WP:POINT? You really need to assume good faith sometimes. JRG 05:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
    • I guess Twenty Years means this comment - "To resist attempts to label our beautiful city as "part of Newcastle"" - still drawing a long bow as creating a WikiProject is hardly disrupting Wikipedia. -- Mattinbgn\ ^talk 06:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Wikiprojects are useful for organisation, but too much beauracracy is just confusing. Recurring dreams 10:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete Reluctantly, but it appears to have never kicked on. Being covered by WP:NSW is not a reason to delete, if interest in the project remained; unfortunately it does not. There may be an opportunity for interested editors to create a Greater Newcastle project in the future and this should be encouraged. -- Mattinbgn\ ^talk 10:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - agree with Mattinbgn - this might have worked with sufficient interest. WikiProject New South Wales is very broad but is the right starting point. Euryalus 11:15, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete inactive, redundant, not much worth merging. The last MfD returned "keep", but that was before the New South Wales WikiProject started. Hut 8.5 11:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - project has three members, but has seemingly never gotten of the ground. If there were sufficient interest later in recreating the project, however, I would have no objections to such being done. John Carter 16:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete but keep the suburb lists under WP:NSW - this was the only reason for keeping last time. JRG 05:54, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

That can easily be done as either a subpage, or a reference to List of suburbs in Greater Newcastle, New South Wales. I went through in July and August and made sure everything had at least a basic article with an infobox from the Hawkesbury to Beresfield. Orderinchaos 06:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Has anyone tried to contact members of this project? Also, am I wrong that this project was being edited in May and June and they've posted an event for September? And for the record, Longhair, if it's deleted it cannot be "undeleted if needed one day", if it's deleted, it's gone.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 01:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

The members of the Newcastle meetup are generally in favour of a larger Hunter region project, not a specific Lake Macquarie one. JRG 02:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

My first step after creating this MfD was to put it on the Australian noticeboard, which is read widely and which the Lake Mac/Newcastle editors (none of whom have signed up to this project and one of whom suggested a merge 2 months ago on the talk page) do read. There's been consensus for a while in the community that it should go - with the Hunter region it's possible that a project which takes that and the Central Coast in will at some point be created once activity and enthusiasm warrants it. This happened with the Riverina editors - they put through an unbelievable amount of work and effort (and a couple of FAs) on a region big and important enough to warrant its own project and the end result has been a few FAs and a better understanding for the rest of us on the region. Orderinchaos 03:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

If it's deleted, it can still be undeleted, via Special:Undelete. Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 06:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, at least for a while, but I don't believe that the ability to undelete is a valid argument for deletion. I overstated my case, I recognize that it isn't gone right away. I guess what I mean is if it's deleted it should be considered gone, since it is not preserved for ever. --Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 18:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Admins (and I speak as one) can read even pages that were deleted over a year ago (keeping such revisions is necessary as part of the GFDL). That being said, is there anything here (as WP:NSW can host the suburb list as a subpage per JRG's comment) that would actually require restoration? Orderinchaos 23:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

• Further Comment - I don't see the argument that "[the suburbs list] was the only reason for keeping last time" is supported by a fair reading of that discussion, that was one editor's comment, the consensus seems to have been that it wasn't hurting anything and the editors in that discussion didn't think "inactivity" was a good basis for deletion. I've posted a note on Tim Starling's user page to see if he has anything to say about it, but things are pretty busy there and last time it seems his comments boiled down to "it may be active some day so don't delete" (paraphrasing).--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 00:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I should note I was one of the keep voters last time, with a very similar rationale. What convinced me to change my mind was the parlous state of the articles within its scope (which are now significantly improved since I did a mini-improvement drive through the Central Coast, Lake Macquarie and Newcastle areas in July-August), and that a talk page message about the very future of the project failed to attract comment for over a month. Orderinchaos 01:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

• Userfy to User:Tim Starling/WikiProject Lake Macquarie and delete the redirects. If Tim wants to keep people on notice that it exists he can post at Proposals and find a good home for the project/task force once he has active editors.--Doug.^{(talk • contribs)} 01:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Userfy to User:Tim Starling/WikiProject Lake Macquarie (It apparently has no sub-pages.) Merge any relevant information (such as the suburbs list, if wanted) to Wikipedia:WikiProject New South Wales. - jc37 21:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete inactive WikiProject.  hmwith  talk 20:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.