Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam:The Muslim Guild

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Redirect. El_C 02:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam:The Muslim Guild

NOTE: I DO NOT want to merge this guild. I have already merged and redirected the relevant parts. I am asking for everything else to be deleted.

Recent consensus was reached on the talkpage to merge the project with WikiProject Islam. I have thus merged the membership list to Wikiproject Islam and made the mainpage a redirect. Under the merge policy, this is required; however, I ask that everything else simply be deleted, as it no longer serves a purpose. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I have merged the relevant pages, and they now exist as redirects. I would like the rest, which are now useless as the main page is gone, deleted. There is some form of speedy delete criteria for this, but it didn't allow me to nominate more than one page. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:17, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't see what's wrong with keeping the material as redirects especially given the GFDL nature of the material. JoshuaZ 18:21, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
The material consists largely of a series of discussions trying to discipline various members of the guild. Not worth keeping. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

*Merge as per nom. Badbilltucker 18:48, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Don't recall nominating for a merge... Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 18:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • You're right, my mistake, Merge was the first highlighted word and I stupidly copied it. If the required merging has in fact already taken place, as indicated, there is no reason not to
  • Delete as per nom. Badbilltucker 19:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I just redirected it. BhaiSaab talk 19:49, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Don't do that, I removed the redirect I had made to create this MfD. Once this has been concluded, I will put back the redirect (because I'm nominating everything but the main page, which has to become a redirect per WP:MERGE). Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 20:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh okay - why don't you just redirect everything else too though? BhaiSaab talk 20:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Because they'd be a bunch of useless redirects for no reason. There's nothing worth keeping on the pages, or we have merged and redirected, so it's more appropriate to delete them. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:07, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

*Conditional Delete The Wikipedia Islam project needs to expand it scope so that we can work on Muslims related articles (beside Islam related) for example 9/11. Similarly Guidelines and other things might need to be changed. --- ALM 22:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

9/11 had nothing to do with Islam. But, this has nothing to do with the Muslim Guild. If you want a taskforce, like Striver has several of, propose it on the Islam talkpage. This isn't really anything to do with the Guild. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 23:11, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong keep as a redirect, man i hate it when people delete my edit history, let it be! What harm does it do? I invoke my GNU Free Documentation License rights (if i have any, just a wild guess) or whatever, just let my edit history be... please? Pretty please? with sugar and stuff? --Striver 03:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong delete It seems to work as a gathering ground and organizing point for POV minded editors who ally themselves in packs to gain conrol of wikipedia article by force of numbers. These sort of alliance schemes make it very difficult to develop articles as they continually revert anything that does not fit with their monolythic POV.--CltFn 04:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Do you even know what we are talking about? The project is already merged, it is non-existent though consensus of the its participants. We are talking about its redirect that remained after the merge, and it is a violation of my GNU rights to delete my edit history after a merge. --Striver 07:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom.--cj | talk 04:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • So what do you answer when i say that it serves the purpose of preserving my edit history? --Striver 07:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep per Striver. It's already been merged. There is no harm in having it as a redirect (edit history shouldn't be deleted unless there is a good reason for that). "Not worth keeping" is not a good reason. Jahangard 07:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and Redirect per striver. --- ALM 10:43, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect. It's about time! Redirect because many links and images point toward the old page.--JuanMuslim 1m 15:42, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Those images will be deleted as well. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 15:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as nominator. And may I say I am getting very tired of the Muslim editors voting in a block. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 16:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • It is not about a block please. However, I do not see any harm in keeping the history when we all so called Muslim "block" agreed with redirect. Do you think we will recreate it or what? I do not get what is the point to delete it? --- ALM 23:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
    • The nominator isn't supposed to vote. BhaiSaab talk 17:40, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I figured, which is why I mentioned I was the nominator, so my vote could be discounted if necessary. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 17:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete - Exterminate it! thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. - Mailer Diablo 20:24, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Redirect BhaiSaab talk 01:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete especially since its used for this.Bakaman Bakatalk 02:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
    • People here saying delete without getting what we are deciding here. Have to even seen the page of wikipedia Guild lately? It does not exist any more. We all members are shifted to Wikipedia project Islam. The question is to keep its history or delete that too. -- ALM 03:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
All the Muslim Guild did was promote separation, Ibrahim, and the only reason it repeatedly survived MfD was, yes, because every Muslim editor descended on it and voted Keep. The only reason they are voting keep here is because Striver, for whatever reason, doesn't want it deleted. Look at your own vote. You agreed with me until Striver asked for it to be kept, when you sided with him. Why was that? Is it because Striver is a known Shi'a Muslim and I am not? Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 07:13, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Dear Dev920 really that is not the issue. See striver had created Muslim guild and now we had deleted it "theoretically" by merging it in other project. That needs a big heart from Striver side to accept our decision. Do not you think so? Hence when he asked for an innocent request to keep its history then I thought ok. no harm we can do that for his happiness. That's it! It was NOT because he is a Muslim believe me and I really hate to tell lie. For me personally deletion is a still a better option because I like clean things personally. I was against the merger for Muslim Guild in the past because two people who hated Islam was in wikipedia Islam project. They were Timothy Usher and Pecher. They had corrupted the Islamic project scope and guidelines. They were working together against neutral Islamic article. That was only reason I wanted to keep the Guild at that point because its scope and guideline was better and those people were not here. If they have not left the wikipedia I never let that merger happened and was still fight to stop it. I promise I never voted for promoting separation. I always appreciated your (or any non-Muslim) input my sister (if I could say so) in Islamic article because it is in good faith. Finally I am not Shia. --- ALM 09:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I think Striver should abide by whatever decision the majority makes, and that the guild should not be made a redirect simply because he, and he alone, wishes it. But I will go talk to him privately, and will drop this discussion, because we have a good editing relationship and I don't want to disrupt that. :) Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge and redir as everyone above Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 16:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Speedy Close - If what you really want is a merge and that is the consensus agreed to on the page, then you don't need to bring it to MFD. Just do it. BigDT 18:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Dammit I don't want a merge! Why would I nominate something at MfD I wanted to merge?! Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 21:52, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
You do not want, but consensus want! Peace. --Nielswik(talk) 07:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
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