Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:TJ Spyke/PPV Win Percent

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. Although the list presently lacks any sources (making it -- for the moment -- encyclopedically useless), one hopes that the user has sources available and will remedy that problem shortly. With sources, the list could conceivably inform the article of any listed wrestler. Hence, this isn't an abuse of userspace. If this remains unsourced for several more months, another MfD might become appropriate. Xoloz 02:32, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:TJ Spyke/PPV Win Percent

Wikipedia isn't a webhosting service. This subpage is just a personal page of interest for only the user that created it (and possibly a few others). I see no plans that this is going to be an article, so there is no reason Wikipedia should host it. RobJ1981 01:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

It's not being used as a webhosting service. I would love for this to be an article if you are anybody else has any suggestions. It's something that took a few months to put together (there have been hundreds of PPVs, and a lot of wrestlers have used more than 1 name) and can be sourced if it has to be. Besides, even if this doesn't turn into an article, WP:SUBPAGE doesn't say this isn't allowed. TJ Spyke 01:39, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete Never going to be an encyclopedic article, Wikipedia is not free web hosting. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 02:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Take a look at National Basketball Association#See also. There are many articles dedicated to statistics, and if others are interested in it this could be one too. I can source it and clean it up so it looks more professional. TJ Spyke 03:13, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Those are legitimate sporting statistics (well, the first one I looked at for certain) that are generally covered by reliable secondary sources, can the same be said of PPV "win" percentages? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:18, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Not the percentages, but the win/loss records can be sourced. There are several reliable sites that PPV results, like http://www.prowrestlinghistory.com/supercards/usa/usaindex.html. I could source the article, I would just need help in making it like better (rather than just a list like it currently is). TJ Spyke 05:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

• Keep - This seems like a reasonable use of the userspace if TJ Spyke does indeed maintain he thinks an article could be made out of this. The information could also be added to individual wrestlers' pages, if sourced. VegaDark (talk) 03:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete as most of those stats are alreay on other articles. This may be a subterfuge to get around list problems. Bearian 14:35, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
  • What other articles? I don't see anything similar in wrestling articles. Also, I started it long before I ever registered on Wikipedia, I just that I might as well put it on here as well. TJ Spyke 02:17, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I believe that there is a fine line between creating subpages for one's personal amusment such as previously nominated "fantasy wrestler"/"fantasy roster" pages and pages which are legitimatly useful. There are other editors which have similar projects on their subpages, for example one editor I've often worked with has an amazingly extensive and well detailed chart of existing crime families in several major U.S. cities while another has a page on soccer statistics. Having had the pleasure of working with these knowledgeable editors, their pages are similarly used as a legitimate reference. I myself am working on a precedents page similar to that used by WP:ROADS. and, while this may not seem particulrly encyclopedic, it does serve a legitimate purpose related to Wikipedia articles. MadMax 03:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep What kind of egghead would nominate something like this?Theophilus75 03:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Pile-on Keep Per MadMax. Dfrg.msc 00:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. MadMax's precendents page is about actual articles, while TJ's win percent page is just a personal page. They are two different things, so the comparision isn't applicable to this discussion. Statistics for a fictional sport are very unlikely to be a useful article. The fact TJ wants to try to make it an article now (that it's up for MFD) seems a little fishy, as he never once seemed to attempt to make it an article before this. This abuse of the subpage system needs to stop. RobJ1981 13:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• Comment. My example is in responce to its claims of being "uncyclopedic" and for "never becoming an article". I see nothing that indicates this is a personal project by TJ Spike and neither do I see anything wrong with keeping the article until its properly sourced (especially given the fact that this is a serious issue concerning professional wrestling related articles). MadMax 06:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.