Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Raffethefirst

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted as WP:CSD#U1. Avi (talk) 07:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Raffethefirst

Userpage is being used to publish and distribute original research (WP:NOT#OTHOUGHT and WP:NOT#HOST). As admitted on this Village Pump policy thread, this user believes that putting his userpage will somehow make it notable. It doesn't seem like he'll focus on anything else if allowed to continue. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 10:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• 'Userpage is being used to publish and distribute original research' -> If there are no links in articles to my page is not public. There are no links in signs page, in life page, in god page in ai page, or in other pages that is connected.

  I said I will not try to distribute it until it becomes notable.

  'this user believes that putting his user page will somehow make it notable' -> where did you get this idea? I am not trying to become notable. I am trying to improve an Wikipedia article.

  I was putting to public view a theory that I am the author so I wanted to be recognized as the author of that work. What is wrong about this? Does this mean that I want to be notable? I think it means that my work is not going to be claimed by somebody else. Also removing this page will make this possible. I am not saying that you are responsible for this I am asking you polite that if you have the choice, you can prevent this and do a positive thing.

  'It doesn't seem like he'll focus on anything else if allowed to continue.' ->

  I will try to make it notable on other means that on Wikipedia so I will stop any action here until it becomes notable.

  This is what I found on Wikipedia:User page :

  'if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be modified to prevent disruption'.

  I admit I was trying to distribute my page but I did not clearly knew that is against Wikipedia policy. And I surely did not did it to stay in the way of building an encyclopedia but of the contrary.

  But now that I read the regulations I will stop trying to distribute it (or even to talk about it if this is necessary) so I am not staying in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia.

  I also read there that the 'The Wikipedia community is generally tolerant'. So please show that tolerance to my page. I do have a great respect for Wikipedia because is doing something great but I am at the beginning with Wikipedia so please forgive my past actions and allow me to enjoy Wikipedia from now. Raffethefirst (talk) 11:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Raffe, just let it be deleted and move on. SchmuckyTheCat (talk) 18:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • You showed disrespect to me, to my work, to reasoning, to pioneering, to truth and I see you are still doing it. Please don't talk to me. Raffethefirst (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. Wikipedia is not a webhost and not a publisher of original research. If the user was using this page as a means of first publication, it needs to be deleted. — Gavia immer (talk) 18:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I admit I used it as a first publication but this was because I didn't not new that this is not allowed. If you will delete it I will lost the author right to it and this is my worse case scenario now after I made it public. So if I would have knew that I surely would not did that.

    This is said in a page I found earlier but I cant find it now: users do mistakes because they don't know the policy so their pages should not be deleted. I will sill look for that citation.

    In user page is also stated that the policy is of tolerance about user pages and "if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be modified to prevent disruption".

    If you do vote delete please argue that.

    Is also stated somewhere that active user pages should not be deleted. I am an active user on Wikipedia and I intend to continue to be.

    I also must tell you I am pretty sure that the page will be deleted. I will tell you why.

    On this page are only coming people that have already put to be deleted some pages. No ordinary user is coming here. The people that are coming here are the one that delete pages. I see a competition in doing that.

    I am not saying this is a bad thing. I do have great respect for the job you are doing. I would have just wish to be here some other users class.

    The regulations are clear in user page: delete what is going to stop Wikipedia to become an enciclopedia and my page is clearly not doing that. But I am pretty sure that it will be deleted. Congratulation SchmuckyTheCat. Raffethefirst (talk) 19:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. It seems as though the content in question is the user's primary reason for being on Wikipedia. This just isn't what talk pages are for. Ilkali (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • It was... from now on I said it will no longer be. And by the way look who is here :). Exactly what I said. People that delete pages. Raffethefirst (talk) 21:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Quit whining already. You know perfectly well that you're misusing your userpage. You were told multiple times to that effect. Your refusal to listen is no one's fault but your own. Anyone else using their userpage as such would also have it deleted, so don't go throwing labels about simply because you're a bad listener. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 21:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
• If you want to improve articles, improve them. The material on your userpage will not make it to actual articles in the encyclopedia by virtue of being there, so it is not helpful in building the encyclopedia in any way. When you created the page, it very clearly said that "You agree to license your contributions under the GFDL." You quote a specific sentence in WP:USER, but please take the whole guideline into account. We are tolerant, but to an extent outlined in the guideline. Users make mistakes, and these mistakes should be rectified, in this case by deletion. No one's holding a grudge against you; you are free to contribute. –Pomte 03:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Can a reference like an archive be kept somewhere that can hold what is now in my user page?

  Please give me that and I will delete myself my page. Raffethefirst (talk) 06:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

  • The only thing you can do is blanking or changing the content of the page. But the previous content will be archived and publicly accessible (although not in a very convenient way) as there is the "history" tag where you can see all versions of the article (unless deleted by admins). Even if the page is deleted, the admins can access it (it is necessary for e.g. lawsuits etc. and you cannot revoke this right, as you already published under GFDL). Pundit|utter 14:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• I removed the theory from my page. So I guess this episode is over here.

  Nice meeting you. Raffethefirst (talk) 19:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• Unfortunate delete I am afraid the user has misunderstood Wikipedia entirely. I would urge him to copy this to MSWord or some other application on his own computer. I am sorry but maybe this is not the best site for you and your intentions. Best of luck. (The user has blanked his page, but considering the circumstances, I still believe complete deletion is best.)--12 Noon ^2¢ 22:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete per SchmuckyTheCat, Raffe's response(s), and 12 Noon. Also the obvious reason that we can't have promotion and advertising, &c. &c. &c. —  $PЯINGεrαgђ  01:34 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed when SchmuckyTheCat called my theory 'pet theory' I did something that completely worth to be blamed, page deleted, user deleted and ban if possible. I told him I wont answer him back with an offense. Raffethefirst (talk) 07:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, this isn't what the userspace is for. --Coredesat 06:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
• I don't think you have the right to delete my page after I did what you wanted. But I also think you will do it. So show me your best. Raffethefirst (talk) 07:10, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

  Actually, your userpage can be deleted regardless of your actions. Blanked or not, it still has no meaningful history. — Trust not the Penguin (T | C) 07:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I wont bother to tell you the regulations... anyway you do know them and don't care. So I will stop arguing. I am just curious about how is going to end. I assume that I will also got a ban for life. Raffethefirst (talk) 07:33, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No, but if your behavior continues you might be blocked for a little while. See WP:CIV and WP:AGF, and the other policies and guidelines pointed out to you. --Coredesat 07:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand (again) what are you talking about. What behavior are you talking about? Could you point it with a quataion please? Raffethefirst (talk) 07:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I misinterpreted. I struck my comment. --Coredesat 10:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You won't get banned. Just continue contributing to the encyclopedia. It's why we're here. –Pomte 12:06, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Raffethefirst, please understand that you're not being punished in any way. In fact deleting the page is the only way to address your concerns about authorship and as you probably value your own theory, it will make it more difficult for anyone to copy it. Consider polishing it and publishing in any regular magazine. Alternatively, consider free hosting services (or publishing it in your own blog), where you will have full control over the changes to the text. Pundit|utter 19:42, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be very sure. Are you sure? Raffethefirst (talk) 12:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.