Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Durin/Husnock images/2nd nomination

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Keep data Move allowed. There appears to be a bona fide issue of dealing with a copyright issue here. This data should be kept until resolved, but may be MOVED to project space or somewhere more approriate for the disucssion. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:04, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Durin/Husnock images

See here for the first nomination

As a result of this deletion entry I recommend this page be deleted, or at the very last merged into an official policy page such as "Possible unfree images". This page was apparently created after Durin and Husnock had a dispute regarding images and the page is a record of every image Husnock has ever uploaded and seems to imply, in several areas, that Husnock knowingly broke copyright law and uploaded images with false image tags. Durin has drawn his/her own conclusions about Husnock’s sources; however none of this was backed up or verified by an official body of Wikipedia, such as an Arb Com. In addition, the top of the page references several out-of-date disputes and hasn’t been edited in at least three months. Based on the way in which Husnock left this website (under very bad terms it seems) and the habit in which various ip addresses have popped up, stirring up trouble, claiming to aid him, this page may only serve to antagonize people and cause further disruption to Wikipedia. DELETE or MERGE into an official page. Werewolfman07 06:03, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep. I selected 10 random pictures (from random.org) from the 1412 images listed there (including the deleted ones), and all 10 (I got no red-linked ones) had no source. Furthermore, at least 50 of them have already been deleted. I would hate to see them all mass deleted as they would be if they were listed at WP:PUI or tagged with subst:nsd — I'd like to think that they are not all inappropriately licensed. They must, however, be verified. If the uploader were me or you this would be no different. That this page solely addresses images uploaded by Husnock is irrelevant; it just indicates that there may need to be pages developed for more users than he. --Iamunknown 06:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep: Though I personally am not pursing fixing these images, I am aware of several people who have been using this page to work on these images. I'm not particularly interested if a departed user is offended by this content. The simple fact remains that this user did upload a rather huge number of highly problematic images. Many of the images on that page have subsequently been deleted, and considerable more work needs to be done to rectify what remains. Whether Husnock knowingly violated copyright law is immaterial. What matters is the net result, and many of these images were improperly done, or should not have been uploaded in the first place. I fail to see a reason why Wikipedia should deliberately make it harder to find these problematic images. --Durin 13:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete: Part of an old dispute which has caused much hate and discord on Wikipedia. And as stated above could cause further problems if Husnock and his friends ever choose to return to this site. I also personally think this is an attack page in disguise, as it suggests with questionable evidence that Husnock has broken copyright law. -Pahuskahey 18:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have had about enough of this situation. Husnock has been cautioned by the Arbitration Committee regarding compliance with image copyright policy, and there is blatant evidence that Pahuskahey is the same person as Husnock editing under another name. Newyorkbrad 21:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment: It's immaterial to this MfD. I've long held that Pahuskahey and Husnock are one and the same person, and Pahuskahey routinely denies this. That's fine. It doesn't matter, so long as Pahuskahey does not act in a disruptive manner. He's free to comment and vote in this MfD, and there's no restriction on him for doing so unless he votes multiple times with sockpuppets, which would count as abuse. If he wants to keep up the charade, that's his business. Nobody believes it, but it doesn't matter...so long as he is not disruptive. Let him have his fun. --Durin 23:19, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Thats actually a pretty nice things to say Durin, thanks. I am still sad that these accusations continue to be brought up as I've done everything I can think of to refute them and claim with all zeal that I am not Husnock. I posted to the sockpuppet policy page for advice, please don't follow my posts there and start a fight; I made it very clear I wasn't seeking any action against anyone. I just wanted some neutral advice as to how to kill these rumors as they've been going on for three months now. -Pahuskahey 01:10, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Based on Durin's comment I won't pursue the issue either. How about we reach a consensus of keep for now with the promise that the page will be deleted as soon as the images are all reviewed. Will that satisfy everyone? Newyorkbrad 01:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep until the status of all images listed on the page has been ensured. However, there's no particular reason to keep Husnock's name on it. —Angr 21:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - Meets the What can I have on my user subpage requirements. A derivative work is a violation of a holder's copyright in many countries if created without permission. For this permission to be valid, Wikipedia requires this permission to be on file with the Wikipedia Communications committee. See when permission is confirmed. After the Wikipedia Communications committee receives the permission, somebody with access to OTRS will come along and tag the article or image with {{PermissionOTRS|ticket=http://linktoticket.org }} providing evidence of the received email and clearing the status of the item in question. Until that time, the image may proceed through a normal deletion process. The Husnock images lack PermissionOTRS tickets or do not seem to have valid licenses per Wikipedia. The work in progress on this user sub page is compatible with the Wikipedia project. As for any factual statements that Husnock knowingly broke copyright law and uploaded images with false image tags, these can be deleted per WP:BLP. -- Jreferee 21:16, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete- seems to be an attack page to me. Astrotrain 13:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep until the status of all images listed on the page is determined. --Fredrick day 14:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

  Comment: I’m sure that I will start World War III by writing this, but I am suspicious of the above account and have to question the validity of the vote. Account was established in January of this year and in the first few days was engaged in detailed discussions on noticeboards and other Wikipedia project pages, showing heavy knowledge of the website and its policies. I have also had a run-in with F-Day on my posting to the Sockpuppet page, where F. Day has showed extensive knowledge of the dispute I have been in with others and has knowledge of Husnock and his editing activities, even though Husnock left the site in December. All due respect to F-Day and apologies if I am wrong. It just seems that the nature of the account indicates it is a second account of another user who may have already voted. -Pahuskahey 20:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

well please feel free to point out WHOM I'm a sock-account of and make the correct representations about this matter. --Fredrick day 21:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

oh and if any admin wishes me to, I can very simply email them the details of how I am not a second account - I refuse, however, to help the above user with a fishing trip. --Fredrick day 21:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep until the status of the images has been determined. This is not at all the same kind of page as User:Husnock/Durinconcerns was. ElinorD (talk) 16:36, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

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