Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dberger

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus to delete at this time, page appears to describe the user at this time. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Dberger

Inactive sock user page created by User:Menicos basically as a way to recreate an article on Douglas Berger (also created by User:Menicos) that was deleted for lack of notability. He then uses the user page as an internal link in citations (in Berger-centric articles he writes), as if Berger's page hadn't been deleted. Ford MF (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

• Delete recreation of deleted content, user is inactive since November 2007 and his only contributions are to that page (and I assume he also contributed on the deleted article). --Enric Naval (talk) 02:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
• Delete reluctanctly. We could just revert to Dberger's own version before this other user got involved, but since Dberger's long gone I don't see much point in that. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 05:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

  Comment. What other user? The original version of Dberger's user page is basically the same as what it is now, and additionally asserts that he is the user who created the Antidepressants in Japan article (which was actually created by User:Menicos, so I think it's safe to say the person behind the two accounts is the same). Ford MF (talk) 06:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep unless it can be determined that this user is not actually Douglas Berger, M.D., Ph.D. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

  Comment. I think whether or not he is Douglas Berger is somewhat immaterial, as this hypothetical Douglas Berger has only been using this user page to circumvent his article's deletion, by using it as a ref in articles and adding it to article categories. Ford MF (talk) 17:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

  If the user is impersonating the real person, then blocking is appropriate.

  If there is no impersonation issue, then are we seeking to delete a user page because of behaviour? The behaviour you describe could easily be interpreted as a newbie's good faith but misguided attempts to contribute productively.

  If sockpuppet abuse is proven, then link to the proof, and blocking is appropriate.

  In no case do I see deletion to be appropriate. For what purpose do we propose to suppress what information? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I am Douglas Berger, M.D., Ph.D. I am sorry I have not been active for many months. While I am busy with lots of other things, I planned try to contribute to Wikipedia as time allows. Let me address your concerns. First, I do exist and any of you can contact me through my web page (www.japanpsychiatrist.com), call me, Skype me, or visit my office in Tokyo for Green tea. Next, while there was an article on myself deleted for “lack of notability”, the appropriateness of deleting the article was deeply debated by a number of editors because, while not ground-breaking, I have published a number of research papers in peer-reviewed medical journals, and some in top scientific journals like Science magazine. So ok, the article was deleted and myself and my assistant Menicos and I decided we would try contribute to Wikipedia on various topics that we thought could fit with Wikipedia projects, and topics I have some knowledge about seem the best way to go. If you have access to it, you may recall that the previously deleted content was a detailed description related to some of my background and research publications, it is not recreated in the User Page, though the User Page does briefly note who I am. Now, I have seen a number of Wikipedia pages on persons who lecture on flying saucers, erotic magazine stars, and other similar things. I guess some of these persons can be "notable" in the Wikipedia sense. So, if the editors at Wikipedia who have already deleted a short page then a stub page on a simple M.D., Ph.D, who has made some minor contributions to the progress of science proven by publications in respected scientific journals, and who now puts some sweat and effort into building the Wikipedia encyclopedia of information, want to delete my User Page, then by all means, please delete my User Page and any and all other pages I have contributed to so that I can focus on becoming more notable and not spend more time contributing to Wikipedia which will not be a constructive endeavor under this environment. Thank you all for your time.Dberger (talk) 06:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment. This user seems to have been given a very bitey welcome, and unnecessarily so. We have too many rules, and he can't be blamed for not having studied them all. His contributions have apparently failed Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Notability (academics), but it was far from obvious for a newcomer. If he intends to continue to contribute on subjects related to himself, he is welcome, but should carefully read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. In the meantime, I belive we should apologise, Userfy his deleted article to User:Dberger/Douglas Berger (Psychopharmacologist), and leave his quite reasonable User page alone. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:29, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Thank you for your comments and advice SmokeyJoe, we will indeed read the COI page. If the deleted page is userfied, however, it should read User:Dberger/Douglas Berger (Psychiatrist) not Psychopharmacologist. Have a nice day. Dberger (talk) 03:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, the page doesn't seem unreasonable as a user page. If it's being improperly cited on other pages, then that can be dealt with per the blocking policy. Deletion seems like an overreaction to me, though. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 10:48, 13 May 2008 (UTC).

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.