Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Captain Waters/band

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was delete, all subpages of User:Captain Waters as well as their duplicates under User:Genes6. Deleted the images too because there was an issue involving personal information of children. Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:Captain Waters/band

Strange series of articles satirising the Beatles. There are several fair use violations (pictures of Beatles members appear in several articles), it is unrelated to Wikipedia, and it violates the user page policy. Main contributor has made few contributions to Wikipedia other than this series of articles. All subpages should be deleted in my view. CloudNine 19:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Here is my view: these pages are not satirising the Beatles, but they are our models, because me and PF-K are in a band, and these pages show us a preview of our work and we are writing our ideas here. Maybe I use Wikipedia bad (do I ?) but it is a goldy chance for us and it doesn't really disturb Wikipedia, because it is just a thing for us. For the Beatles' pictures, they will disappear if you want, but I keep wanting to save these pages, we need them. Anyway, I didn't only want to do this, and I want to involve myself in the English Wikipedia. I hope you've understand. Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 19:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Genes6, please note that while established and/or active editors are given some leeway in their userpage, wikipedia policy says that "we are not a webhost." for material not related to or for the purpose of contribution. Though I'd be willing to vote 'keep' contingent on the removal of any possible fair use violations and as an active user's userpage. Wintermut3 05:22, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Delete. WP:USER states that, while user subpages may be used to draft articles or as a personal sandbox, they shouldn't be used as web hosting. The extent of these pages is well beyond anything that could possible be necessary for testing, and these articles have no future as encyclopedic content (they describe events 20 years in the future). Even if the author is active on Wikipedia, this doesn't excuse him to use his userspace to host pages which aren't relevant to the Wikipedia project. Zetawoof_(ζ) 06:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Delete "and these pages show us a preview of our work and we are writing our ideas here. Maybe I use Wikipedia bad (do I ?) but it is a goldy chance for us and it doesn't really disturb Wikipedia, because it is just a thing for us." is just a complex way of saying it's self-promotion which Wikipedia is not supposed to be used for. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. I understood from Genesis' message that the pictures fair use violation will be solved and I don't see any other serious reason for deletion. Writing in your own userpage some things about yourself is not self-promotion. We should be more tolerant with userpages.--MariusM 17:20, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. Just tell me what to do to keep these pages, and I will make it. For the self-promotion, these pages are not made for this. They just serve us to write our ideas and all the band members could see it. There is no self-promotion in that (as I see it). Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 19:32, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

That's the definition of self-promotion; writing about yourself and your ideas. There are a huge number of subpages, and most of your edits have been to those pages, which serve no encyclopediac value. For example, looking at your latest edits, they have *all* been do with User:Captain Waters/band. CloudNine 19:50, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I saw a lot of userpages where people are writing about themselves - some say they have PhD, where they work, what they did more important. Sometime is nice to know who are the persons with which you interact in Wikipedia. As long as it is in own userpage is not self-promotion and is harmless. Self-promotion will be if Genesis will start a Wikipedia article about his own band. We are a community of real people (and of some sockpuppets), we should alow userspaces for expressing the individualities of editors.--MariusM 20:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

As MariusM said, I will now make a page about my band on the main Wikipedia! It is just for me and my band and it is for no-one else. Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 20:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm for people expressing their individualities on user pages, but don't you think the number of articles about this band is a little extreme? The user page policy is pretty clear on this. If it will be in the mainspace, why are the dates in the future? CloudNine 20:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

It is not for the mainspace... not before a long time, in any case. For the number of articles, I've tried to delete some of these that don't serve to me, but I don't know how. If someone could help me, I'd do it. Thanks for comprehension. Genesis | Please sell England by the pound*** | on 21:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

I also have a solution : I will remake these things on my own page User:Genes6 and I will make the number of pages lower. Is it OK ? 22:00, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.