Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:8thstar/ubx/Dead Marxist

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete, obvious violation WP:CSD#T1, and/or WP:CSD#G10 and also per WP:SNOW ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 19:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:8thstar/ubx/Dead Marxist

This is a divisive and inflammatory userbox, and seems designed to disparage a significant social and political portion of the modern world's population. Lawrence Cohen 00:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete (unsurprisingly to anyone who saw the ANI conversation leading to this nomination). Personally I wouldn't even bother with the discussion and just T1 it, but now the discussion's started it may as well run. — iridescent 00:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• KeepStrong Keep Not any more divisive than "impeach Bush". All it does is link to Better dead than red. How is this any different than posting your Political compass results?--12 Noon ^2¢ 00:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• It implies that being dead is preferable to a certain political or social viewpoint, and that political or social view is held by... a billion people? More? That is offensive. A userbox saying to impeach a lone politician is no comparison. Lawrence Cohen 00:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment It is a political slogan for cripes sake! Ala "Live Free or Die!" The linked article does not make one mention about killing people, civilians, or anyone. It is nothing more than an historical reference. Sheesh!--12 Noon ^2¢ 03:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, and feel free to nominate impeach bush for deletion too. Viridae^Talk 00:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. (EC with Lawrence Choen above, who seems to echo me, or I him.)Advocating a legal means of governmental change is one thing. Stating that dead (by killing, suicide, or victimization) is better than communist is absurdly worse, as it says the Russians all got what they deserved, yadda yadda, and we should feel free to kill commies everywhere, any time. At this point in world history, having seen the pathetic results of communism, such a banner ONLY seeks to stir up trouble, as no one seriously advocates communism anymore with a large following. Most communist regimes rule by terror and intimidation, and 'BDTR just mocks the civilians. ThuranX (talk) 00:31, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete there is a difference between impeaching a politician , and killing people. DGG (talk) 03:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete if you want to say you're anti-communist, go for it. However, the use of that rather archaic slogan is completely unnecessary. - Koweja (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, it's a political slogan, but it's still a violent one, and userboxes should not contain polemic statements anyway (such is a violation of WP:USER). --Coredesat 06:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, divisive. ♠PMC♠ 08:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, I almost reached my WP:CSD#T1 gun. -- lucasbfr ^{ho ho ho} 09:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• Neutral - It is a legitimate political slogan, but I agree that in this context it appears inflammatory; there is an alternative userbox which reads "This user strongly opposes all forms of Marxism", which gets the same message across without the degree of perceived aggression. However, I want to object in the strongest terms to all mentions of CSD T1, which DOES NOT apply to userspace. EVER. T1 applies to templates, which should be narrowly construed to refer to any page starting with Template:, not to any page which happens to be substituted or transcluded as a template (otherwise T1 could apply to any page, since any page can, in theory, be subst'd or transcluded). The idea of the CSD criteria is to encompass non-controversial deletions; userbox deletions are rarely non-controversial. Walton^One 12:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, apparently T1 has been amended, I remember it being used for userboxes. -- lucasbfr ^talk 15:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Delete. Political and ideological userboxes of any sort do not contribute anything to building the encyclopedia, and inflammatory ones like this one have definitely no place here. Sandstein (talk) 13:36, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment You do have a point there....--12 Noon ^2¢ 13:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

• Comment While the userbox could still exist without it, the use of the Korda Photograph (still copyrighted) in userspace is a clear breach of fair use. — iridescent 15:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I have listed it at WP:PUI. -- lucasbfr ^talk 15:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.