Archive for January 2008

Archiveing

Do you archive user talk pages? If so, I'd like you to archive the messages on my User Talk page by month. Thanks!--Universal Studios Number 1 Fan (talk) 03:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Black Eyed Peas: The Chart History

Hiya. Could you delete and salt this article? The creator just keeps removing the speedy tags. Thanks. Chris (talk) 16:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

ANI size

Would there be any possibility of you implementing a feature which archives threads more quickly if they contain the {{resolved}} template? —Random832 20:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Should I add that to the FAQ or something? I'm working on it. There is a possibility, but needs a major rewrite of the bot, which is in progress. Миша13 20:20, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

RE: My userpage

Thanks for the reversion! Also, nice to see you around again! ;) Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP!☺} 04:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

archive box

Does this bot also normally make the little archive box in the upper right corner? Or is this something I have to do myself?--Rockfang (talk) 20:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, it doesn't, but if you use standard archive naming (/Archive N) you can just put {{archivebox|auto=yes}} and it will handle that automagically. Миша13 20:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info.--Rockfang (talk) 20:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR

Deleted historical television logos

I feel like a doofus, but a over a month ago I had gotten a bunch of logos restored in order to add fair use rationales, but then only managed to get around to fixing about half of them. Now I see that the ones I didn't fix got deleted again (so much for "There is no deadline"), so I was wondering if you could please restore them again so I can finish up with the rationales and add them back to the appropriate pages.

• The images, and the articles for which they are to be used, are as follows:
  • Image:FOX11- 1991.jpg in KTTV
  • Image:Cbs89 a.jpg and Image:Cbs90 a.jpg in Get Ready for CBS
  • Image:Cbs88.jpg in CBS: Television You Can Feel
  • Image:Cbs86 a.jpg, Image:Cbs86 b.jpg and Image:Cbs87 a.jpg in Share the Spirit of CBS/CBSpirit
  • Image:Abc90 a.jpg and Image:Abc91 a.jpg in America's Watching ABC
  • Image:Abc87 a.jpg, Image:Abc88 a.jpg and Image:Abc89.jpg in Something's Happening on ABC
  • Image:Abc86 a.jpg in Together (ABC Television Network)

The rationale I intend to add for each of these is:

• Fair use rationale for use in the article [[{article link}]]:

• It contributes significantly to the article, by providing historical information about the network's branding in a way that text cannot;
• It was widely distributed without charge for the purposes of promotion and advertising;
• No free alternative can be made of this copyrighted logo image which would adequately give the same information;
• It is low resolution and does not supplant any market role of the image; and
• It is only used for informational and educational purposes.

Thank you so much for your time. DHowell (talk) 08:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Apart from writing rationales, remember to actually include the images in articles - the all got deleted because they were orphaned fair use images. Миша13 14:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Bug report - pywikipedia

Report here. Thanks, Mønobi 02:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Undelete

Hello, is it possible to undelete Image:Photoshop CS3 screenshot.png? The image was removed from the article by an IP here for no reason (probably anti Mac), and I was not notified that it was unused, and could not vouch for it. ALTON .ıl 23:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:PW newsletter

Newsletter for delivery. Thank you! The Chronic 00:35, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Umm... it appears MiszaBot sent out the wrong newsletter. It sent out the first issue instead of the current. Thought you should know. The Chronic 00:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Um, shit happens - I was kinda tired yesterday - when I get back home, I'll run the bot to replace it with the current issue. Sorry 'bout that. Миша13 10:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

In case you'd not noticed :(

[1] :( --Doc^g 23:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Bloody brilliant. Apparently the devs weigh consensus differently than the rest of Wikipedia (the original proposal was deemed rejected). At least this solution is smarter than some completely missed ideas and I can only hope that it will cause less problems than it solves. Миша13 23:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Problem is now that since there's no agreed policy, it is a free-for-all. I can grant and remove this as I want. Screw consensus, eh? :(--Doc^g 23:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

fnord. Enough for today, I'm going to sleep now. Миша13 23:46, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Archieveing

Thanks for archeiveing my user talk page. Could you please post a link to the archives on my talk page as well? Thanks!--Universal Studios Number 1 Fan (talk) 01:52, 10 January 2008 (UTC) Since you don't use a standard /Archive N naming scheme, you'll have to maintain the links on your own - please read about the {{archivebox}} template. Миша13 10:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

wrestling project newsletter

Why was I was sent the first one again? --Crash Underride 02:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

How...

Hey, how did you do this? :-o -- Mentifisto 09:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

zomgmagic. Миша13 10:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I wasn't referring to a simple font... it's the history when you did it, the very entry is altered... -- Mentifisto 11:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not about a font - it's about a character I have inserted into the page code. And in the edit summary as well - that's why it looks distorted as well. Миша13 12:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying it here but the distorted edit summary isn't working. :-| -- Mentifisto 12:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

You need to insert the character itself, not a HTML entity (which is 7 characters) that represents it. Миша13 12:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Um, what's the character itself? I just can't seem to succeed in doing it. :-/ -- Mentifisto 13:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Exactly the one I have pointed out - unicode character with a code of #202E hexadecimally, 8283 decimally - you need to google on how to input arbitrary unicode characters as it depends on your operating system and browser. Миша13 13:42, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I found the character in charmap and it's just not appearing... some font problem. -- Mentifisto 13:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, brings back memories. My whole watchlist was backwards because of that article :0 ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 13:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Haha, you use it to 'encrypt' your userpage. Nice trick! :-D -- Mentifisto 03:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

The Current Events Barnstar!

		The Current Events Barnstar
		This Current Events Barnstar goes to Misza13 for outstanding contributions in helping to bring Wikinews and Wikipedia closer together through the workings of the Wikinews Importer Bot! RichardF (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I second that! --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:31, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Third! Cirt (talk) 18:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC).

I also appreciate your efforts here. I'm gald wikinews↔Wikipedia cooperation is increasing. Bawolff (talk) 20:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

right to resist

discussion was not over, and many admins present. This is getting frustrating; maybe RFM? Xavexgoem (talk) 17:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Over or not, the page has been deleted under a different policy (with some plain old common sense), thus the MfD became immaterial, so I closed it. Quite natural. Миша13 17:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Please consider reopening the discussion. CSD T1 does not apply to userspace as the criteria for speedy deletion explicitly state. Regards, IronGargoyle (talk) 17:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

T1 applies to templates. That page checks out as a template for me, is inflammatory enough and on top of that just plainly doesn't belong here. Миша13 17:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no consensus for that interpretation and it has been repeatedly rejected by the community as I am sure you are very much aware. IronGargoyle (talk) 18:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

the DRV closed it and kept the template; MfD is closed and template gone with it. These are seperate. There was active discussion going on and could have been resolved. Please reopen. Xavexgoem (talk) 17:42, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but there's too much process wonkery in your comment and no merit at all. Миша13 17:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I apologize for being short: what is the merit of an admin, who had not casted a vote in an open review, jumping in and deleting the MfD along with the template with at least 3 other editors and 4 other admins present at an ongoing discussion? This could have been resolved. Xavexgoem (talk) 17:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You're more elaborate now, but you've evaded the merit again. All I see is talk about process (which I am only making simple) while the merit is whether the page belongs here in the first place. So what that other admins were present? The matter is resolved (or at least, it were until it was yet again needlessly resurrected on DRV). Миша13 17:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

And I apologize again. Please don't hit that strawman. Xavexgoem (talk) 17:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

DRV of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:MQDuck/userboxes/Right To Resist

An editor has asked for a deletion review of User:MQDuck/userboxes/Right To Resist. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Equazcion •✗/C • 17:33, 12 Jan 2008 (UTC) 17:33, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Didn't mean to offend BTW

I hope you'll understand my comments were meant as rhetoric to advance an argument, and not as a personal attack against you or all of Catholicism. I only know "where the bodies are buried" because I'm a Catholic myself, so I got a little carried away. -- Kendrick7^talk 20:54, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

No hard feelings there. But I did check on cafeteria Catholic to make sure it's not a universally strong pejorative term (it does carry some degree of contempt in Poland). :) It's also probably not the best way to describe me; I would rather say that I view some issues from a wider perspective (like creation through evolution). Cheers, Миша13 21:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't check where that link went first; trying to define the term for all of Christendom has created a bit of a mishmosh, especially as a lot of other Christian churches aren't quite as dogmatic. In the U.S. it usually refers to Catholics who use birth control, and as such (IMHO) being a cafeteria Catholic is too widespread to be terrible derogatory per se. -- Kendrick7^talk 21:18, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews importer bot

Could you set it so that the dates are not wikilinked? There's really no reason for it, I think. I prefer the format that we used on the featured portal:medicine, which was

• Article title <small>(Day Month, Year)</small>

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 01:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I looked at every other featured portal. Not a single one uses this date format. It clearly is the outlier exception. Every other featured portal with a news section uses a leading date, almost always linked, with or without the year included. I oppose this suggested change. RichardF (talk) 01:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

An "interwiki transclusion bot"

Hi Misza13,

A number of editors have been working on ways to have portals take better care of themselves, rather than require lots of manual upkeep. One way to do this has been the random display of a selection of subpages. Another way has been to have a bot update a time-sensitive page, such as DinojermBot for Portal:Business and economics/Market Indices.

Another, yet unborn bot could take news items from Wikinews and place them in the applicable portal sections (probably by way of a section subpage). DinojermBot's creator doesn't seem to be active here these days, so I'm asking for your help. The basic idea would be for a general purpose bot that could copy the contents of one sister project page to a page at a different sister project. A bot user like myself would be able to specify the applicable source page, destination page, and a few other parameters along the lines of the MiszaBots.

I started some other discussions at Wikinews:Water cooler/technical#Transcluding DynamicPageList results to Wikipedia pages and Portal talk:Film#An "interwiki transclusion bot" with more details about a specific portal, but the issue really is about any portal that could benefit from Wikinews updates.

If this proposed project isn't your cup of tea, could you direct me to another talk page where I could pitch the idea? Thanks for your time. RichardF (talk) 01:53, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

An interesting idea.

1. It shouldn't be that hard to write such a bot. One challenge is that we're not copying page code to page code, but rather the resulting rendered HTML must be converted into a wikisyntax list. But again, shouldn't be that hard and I can see what can be done.
2. On Wikia, the thing that you call "interwiki transclusion" is an actual feature. There you can transclude a page from one family into another. When and if at all will this be enabled on Wikipedia is another thing...

Миша13 13:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Do you have a time frame in mind when a bot might be up a running? By the way, does this feature have a real name I should be using? :-) RichardF (talk) 13:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Just thought I'd interject in this discussion. :D The feature is toggled in LocalSettings.php by a variable called $wgEnableScaryTranscluding, and it's also controlled on a per-interwiki basis by a bitfield in the database. The feature as it is currently implemented only works to transclude pages in the other wiki's template namespace (as of MediaWiki 1.11.0), so it probably wouldn't be applicable to your situation. Or am I talking about something else? Misza? (I'm not familiar with Wikia's system.) Tuvok[^T@lk/_{Improve me}] 17:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

And that's why I knew this would be the right place to come for help! >;-o) RichardF (talk) 17:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The it's either something else, or the "scary transclusion" has gone further than the documentation says. For an example, see Jack Phoenix' userpage on a remote wiki (and on several more), which actually transcludes a central userpage (although I'm not sure where is it, as this is something different). Миша13 18:06, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Looks like Wikia's using 1.12, which is a version above the test wiki I have (I'm sticking with stable releases for now). Either the Scary Transclusion feature has been expanded in the SVN MediaWiki or they have some extension installed to do that. They sure do have a lot of extensions... Tuvok[^T@lk/_{Improve me}] 21:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

• This type of bot that could do this cross-wiki would be very useful. Several users are interested, and it could be used on almost every Portal on Wikipedia. No rush, but any ideas as to a time frame on if/when this could be available? Cirt (talk) 00:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
  • No idea how much time will I be able to spend on this due to real life, but let's see what I manage to brew in a week. Миша13 18:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Okay, no worries. Take your time. Cirt (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2008 (UTC).
      • Excellent! Any way you can make it so that the "en:" doesn't show up in the front of the links? Cirt (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
        • Is there a way to fix the double-bulleting that appears on the first line of news? Cirt (talk) 21:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
          • Actually, it would probably work fine/better if each line only had a single bullet. Cirt (talk) 21:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
• Nevermind, it's perfect! Cirt (talk) 21:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
  • Yeah, it either required that the </noinclude> and the first ** are on the same line (looks ugly in page's code) or just put the whole bot thingie at the end. I chose the latter. Cheers, Миша13 21:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
• For some reason it doesn't want to update Portal:Journalism/News/Wikinews. Cirt (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
  • Or Portal:Internet/Internet news/Wikinews... Cirt (talk) 22:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
    • Have patience now. :) The testing phase is over and I've set cron to run it hourly. The next run is scheduled *looks at the clock* in about 7 minutes. Миша13 22:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Oh, okay. So I guess in order for it to work in the first place, there needs to be some sort of related Category at Wikinews to import from, so if no Category exists for a certain topic, it's not applicable, it can't somehow scan for a particular search term using the "Special:Search" function? Cirt (talk) 22:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC).
        • Technically, it can be any page where the <DynamicPageList> tag was used - can be a category page/portal page/whatever. The bot just looks for the first item list (HTML <ul> tag) in the page's content and imports that. Миша13 22:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Okay, that's what I thought. Cirt (talk) 22:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC).

Misza13, thanks! Cirt just showed it to me. :-) RichardF (talk) 23:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears to me the destination does not get updated from the source. Does the source have to be in template space for the bot to work properly? RichardF (talk) 03:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems there was a problem with caching - the bot was getting back a version of the page with only three items. I have logged it in on wikinews too, so that it's allowed to do &action=purge and should be fine now. Миша13 11:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll see if I can get it working on another portal this weekend before I blab about it too much. RichardF (talk) 16:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you, but I can't seem to figure out how to get the bot to work. Right now, Portal:Education/News isn't getting updated from n:Portal:Education/Wikipedia. Can you give me some specific directions on what is necessary to set up a new page? RichardF (talk) 02:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The dates that precede the news titles confused the bot - I have adjusted for that. Миша13 17:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, does that mean dates can't be used? RichardF (talk) 17:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I went the simpler way (a fix I could do in about one minute) - just copy the first link that appears in each item (this omits the date). I could probably make the bot copy the dates (and whatever else there is) but that would be more of a hassle. Миша13 17:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I know beggers can't be choosers, so thanks for all of your efforts. Time will tell if featured portal reviewers buy this undated style for news sections. :-) Regards, RichardF (talk) 18:06, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, if you get a chance to add the date at some point, my best guess for the preferred format is like what's at Portal:Science/News. → [[<month>]] [[<day>]]: ← Thanks again, RichardF (talk) 18:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Hah! I just came here to check you were purging the DPL'd pages first. ;-) It is great to see Wikinews coverage linked to. --Brian McNeil /^talk 08:48, 7 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianmc (talk • contribs)

Two questions to add to my above remark...

1. Is the code for this bot available for some of the French bot writers to employ?
2. If not, do you think it'll take much to make it available?

We have a user on en.Wikinews who is more of a Francophone and would love to see the same method of promoting Wikinews in French on the French WP. I also suspect the Polish and (possibly) Chinese would be among the next to want to 'purloin' your work. --Brian McNeil /^talk 14:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The code is available on the bot's userpage. Refactoring for any other language should be as easy as changing 'en' (to 'fr' for example) in the main() function. I also think I can set up the bot for the polish wp/wn (it's my native tongue after all). Миша13 16:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll pass on the news about fr, and that sounds great about pl. I'm trying to encourage people who adopt it on en to use it as an opportunity to get a new article that they're main contributor on up on Wikinews. If you get interest on the Polish wiki please suggest they try the same. --Brian McNeil /^talk 21:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• Any ideas on why the bot has not updated yet at Portal:Current events/Wikinews ? Cirt (talk) 05:40, 9 January 2008 (UTC).
  • Also, can you perhaps add a function to Wikinews Importer Bot (talk · contribs), so that it shows the dates of the articles to the left of each link? RichardF (talk · contribs) has brought this up to you in the past, and it seems that this can get to be a sticking point at Featured Portal peer reviews, and could possibly be an issue with Featured Portal candidate discussions - and it would be awfully tedious for someone to manually add the dates after every time the bot updates from Wikinews. Thanks for all that you have done so far. Cirt (talk) 20:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC).
    • Both done. It didn't update because there is a bug with unicode handling on one of the pages and the bot died with an exception before it got there. That said, I'll track the bug tomorrow or on Saturday (two pages still won't update); a terrible headache is giving me a hard time. Миша13 21:33, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
      • No rush, take your time - I hope your headache gets better. Cirt (talk) 21:37, 10 January 2008 (UTC).
      • Thanks, Миша. I see Portal:Education/News/Wikinews‎ is using dates now. Can you offer me any guidance on how I can get a Wikipedia date style to display, e.g., " [[<month>]] [[<day>]]: "? Can I do it using DynamicPageList or can the bot reformat the date? Thanks again. RichardF (talk) 23:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
        • It will be better to leave DPL output as is (i.e. plain text) and code the linking into the bot (btw: 10 January is a hard redirect to January 10, so technically speaking, DPL produces "invalid" (or at least MoS-wise improper) output). I have a few ideas and will get to it once my headache is over. Do I understand correctly that you'd like the year omitted and leave just the month and day? Миша13 23:15, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
          • Yes, I believe the date format at Portal:Science/News for "News on Wikipedia" is the preferred style for portals. The assumption is that items are for the current or most recent year. RichardF (talk) 23:41, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
            • Ok, headache is over, dates are ready and the unicode bug eliminated (should update on all pages now). Now this has gotta be the longest thread evar on my talk page. :) Миша13 13:25, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
              • Hey, I just noticed the latest updates. They look great! Thanks! Of course, you know this is now quite the rage over at Wikinews, e.g., The Wikinews Importer Bot. :-) I think they have a very legitimate point for how the bot could help update "See also" sections in current events-oriented articles like United States presidential election, 2008. Are you willing to consider allowing the bot to update article See also sections? RichardF (talk) 16:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
              • By the way, those Wikipedia portal news boxes and DYK boxes keep on whispering to me that they want bots visiting them too! I might have to start another groveling / any tips? topic here.  ;-) RichardF (talk) 16:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Another tweak? It looks like the bot is inserting one too many returns at United_States_presidential_election,_2008#See_also, causing too much white space before the References section. See this and this. Could you move the </noinclude> up a line? :-) RichardF (talk) 00:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. The next time the list of items changes the bot should start putting noinclude in the same line as the last item. Миша13 10:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. :-) RichardF (talk) 12:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I saw this type of thing early on, then it went away. Now it seems to be doing it again, but maybe just for articles? Should the bot be doing "timestamp only" updates, e.g., like this and this ? RichardF (talk) 15:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, a minor glitch - fixed and shouldn't happen anymore now. Btw, thanks for maintaining the bot's userpage - I'm always too lazy to write documentation for my software. :) Миша13 17:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please delete

Okay, so what was I thinking? Please delete Template:Wikinewshas/Article title. :-) RichardF (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Iraq template

So we go back to DRV again? Speedy delete was already rejected -- Kendrick7^talk 17:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't go to DRV with it. Why don't you ask Equazcion why he insists on playing this bureaucratic nonsense only to defend a piece of Myspace that doesn't even belong here? Миша13 17:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

See my reasoning at DRV. This has been speedied twice before, both times overturned. I don't know why you'd close the MfD with another speedy after all of that... Equazcion •✗/C • 17:42, 12 Jan 2008 (UTC)

You're referring to the process a lot but not in the least to the merit. Миша13 17:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I am requesting mediation. Xavexgoem (talk) 17:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Scratch that. I'll wait for an admin to do that or go to the cabal. Xavexgoem (talk) 17:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Just make sure you know what are you planning to accomplish with it. Миша13 17:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

(ec) It's a controversial issue and not clearcut. Just the fact that there are people who don't think it should be deleted is reason enough to let the MfD continue. That's why anyone is allowed to remove CSD requests from pages. In fact the MfD seemed to be leaning towards a keep (note that I myself voted for delete). Equazcion •✗/C • 17:47, 12 Jan 2008 (UTC)

First, just as anyone can remove a CSD tag, any administrator is free to fulfill the request and delete the page. Second, if you !voted delete then why are you reviving DRV? Do you want it deleted or not, for Pete's sake? Or is it just about process wonkery? Миша13 17:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I want it deleted. But I want it done the right way. The end does not justify the means. Equazcion •✗/C • 17:56, 12 Jan 2008 (UTC)

What makes my way worse? This is supposed to be a free encyclopedia, not a bureaucratic state. Anything that does not further (or worse, detracts from) the objective of building it can (and should) be deleted by all any any means necessary (and the faster the better so as not to waste further resources). Миша13 18:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Please revert your close. speedy is for unquestionable deletions and it is clear there was significant question of the UCfD. You should at the least have let the discussion continue to the end. Doing it as a speedy or snow is counterproductive, for, as you see, it always arouses resentment. As an admin you have the power to do a speedy, but also the resposibility to use the power appropriately in line with policy. IAR as applied to speedy is not correct when there is opposition. So far from not wasting further resources, it will cause a great deal more trouble. DGG (talk) 18:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the page in line with policy. Be it CSD T1 or (if you question it) IAR which is always correct when applied to building an encyclopedia. It was not counterproductive. The people who drag it around blind and for the sake of process are. Миша13 18:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Misza I really think you went the wrong way on this one, your only supposed to close an MFD by consensus not your own POV. I personally don't like the userbox (my sister is in the USAF) but if the consensus is to keep it then it should be kept. --Chetblong^Talk_Sign 21:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I didn't close the MfD per se. I have speedy deleted the userbox. Миша13 21:48, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

That doesn't make a difference you, as a sysop, are still supposed to follow policy created by consensus. Chetblong^Talk_Sign 22:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I, as an administrator am supposed to help maintain a free encyclopedia. That includes housekeeping tasks such as deleting trash that doesn't belong on one. If I find a page that qualifies for a CSD (T1 in this instance), I delete it, naturally. If you disagree with T1 (the bit about template space was added not long ago, and not without opposition), then G0 still applies, no difference. Миша13 22:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not for you to decide what's allowed and what's not the consensus decides that, just like consensus decided if you could be an administrator or not. Chetblong^Talk_Sign 22:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

If we were to discuss everything around here first, we'd never get anything done. Wikipedia stands on a pillar of WP:BOLD and it applies to admins just as it does to regular users. You can of course disagree with my actions, as I'm just your run-the-mill abusive admin, and struggle to lengthen the process outside the scope of building an encyclopedia despite my best efforts. And that's exactly what happened - a DRV overturned my decision and there we are at the MfD again. So let's close this issue as my personal failure - I still stand a chance of not being called an "asshole" this time round. Миша13 22:34, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

"Being Bold" does not excuse a disregard for the other guidelines/policies that comprise the five pillars of Wikipedia. --Chetblong^Talk_Sign 22:52, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you check the last pillar in detail before you commented here? In particular, the first link that appears in that section. Миша13 22:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Your kind of ignoring the fourth pillar, where it states "Find consensus", and Wikipedia:Be bold#… but don't be reckless. Chetblong^Talk_Sign 23:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Screeny

Czy można tutaj ładować screeny z gier:FIFA 08 i Grand Theft Auto:San Andreas na licencji fair use lub jakiejkolwiek innej licencji? Czekam na odpowiedź i pozdrawiam Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 22:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC).

Można, ale nie jest łatwo. Poczytaj Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria - grafika musi spełniać wszystkie 10 warunków, w szczególności ostatni, tj. uzasadnienie niewolnego użycia - o tym z kolei szerzej na Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. A jak znam życie, to nawet jak przez to przejdziesz to ryzykujesz, że ktoś Ci wywali obrazek z artykułu (bo nie potrzebny, za dużo niewolnej grafiki itepe.) i po tygodniu już go nie będzie (kryteria "eskpresowego kasowania" I5-I7). Pozdrawiam, Миша13 22:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

A mógłbyś dokładnie mi opisać te dziesięć warunków,ale po polsku?(na razie gorzej u mnie z angielskim:/)Właśnie ładowałem niedawno kilka zdjęć i właśnie ktoś mi wywalił, z powodów jakie podałes wyżej. No i przede wszystkim:wyjaśnisz mi dokładnie i prosto jak mogę obejść to o czym mówisz,by m.in.ktoś nie wywalił etc.? 23:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Kryteria w skrócie:

1. Brak wolnego odpowiednika, czyli nie da się zdobyć równoważnego medium na wolnej licencji. Spełnia to większość screenshotów, bo firmy nie pozwalają na ich wolne rozpowszechnianie (ale są wyjątki, np. Ubisoft, p. {{ubisoft-screenshot}}).
2. Poszanowanie komercji, czyli że np. opublikowanie medium nie wpłynie negatywnie na korzyści jakie firma czerpie ze swojego produktu. Znowu, screenshoty się łapią, niemniej trzeba to napisać na stronie obrazka.
3. (a)Minimalne użycie, tj. chcemy, żeby niewolnych obrazków było jak najmniej. Bardzo ważne kryterium, bo na jego podstawie najczęściej obrazki wylatują z artykułów (wystarczy, że ktoś stwierdzi, że jest ich za dużo, ale to jest również kwestia do dyskusji). (b) Minimalne wykorzystanie, czyli jak można to użyć tylko kawałka obrazka, a ponadto w dość niskiej rozdzielczości.
4. Wcześniejsza publikacja - obrazek został wcześniej opublikowany poza Wikipedią.
5. Treść - obrazek sam w sobie powinien mieć encyklopedyczną wartość.
6. Obrazek spełnia politykę dot. mediów, np. Wikipedia:Image use policy
7. Jest użyty w przynajmniej jednym artykule (nie składujemy obrazków ot tak).
8. Jest istotny z punktu widzenia artykułu, czyli w jakiś sposób go ubogaca, np. pogłebia zrozumienie treści.
9. Jest użyty tylko w artykułach.
10. Wymagania dot. strony obrazka:

(a) Atrybucja, czyli skąd się obrazek wzięło, kto ma prawa autorskie.

(b) Oznaczony odpowiednim szablonem "galerii": Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Non-free, np {{non-free game screenshot}}

(c) Każdy artykuł, w którym obowiązuje fair use musi być wymieniony (w postaci linku), i dla każdego musi być osobne uzasadnienie. Ile już obrazków wyleciało, bo nie miało listy artykułów to nie zliczę...

Piekło, nie? Ale w końcu to ma być wolna encyklopedia, a nie zbiorowisko naruszeń praw autorskich (bo by nas w końcu ktoś pozwał). Миша13 18:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Z czystej ciekawości jeszcze spytam - co to na en wiki za zwyczaje,odpisywania na swojej dyskusji?:) Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 23:58, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

No właśnie - takie zwyczaje. :) Choć ma to choćby tę zaletę, że dyskusja nie jest pokawałkowana na dwóch stronach. Миша13 18:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Dobrze, że chociaż znalazłem polskojęzycznego administratora:)Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 11:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Auto-archive bots.

Hi. I've read that there are three bots which auto-archive talkpages: MiszaBot, ClueBot III, and MercuryBot. What are the differences between them? Which one is best? In other words, which one is prone to the least errors and stays up the most often? ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

MercuryBot is a clone of MiszaBot which only archives ANs. ClueBot III is Cobi's genuine creation that has mostly the same functions and apparently can also index the archives. But really, there's no great difference (both are stable, operate regularly and quite reliably), so it's really up to you whether you use MiszaBot or ClueBot. Миша13 18:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

archiving glitch?

Apparently there has been a glitch with your archiving bot this morning. ANI thread. -- lucasbfr ^talk 10:19, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

An extremely rare error. I can't even say I can counter it - must be some lost connection while posting monolithic amounts of text to the server. Миша13 18:01, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

Could you maybe shed a little light on the link to User:MiszaBot/conf8988ig near the top of Talk:Main Page? I was going to just remove it, but there was code, and so I assumed it was something to do with archiving. J Milburn (talk) 17:31, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does - at least, User:MiszaBot/config does - it's the template the bot checks to see what pages want automatic archiving. It's parameters are options for the bot. It also gets vandalized pretty often on Talk:Main Page, so instead of removing, you should rather fix it and whack whoever broke it. ;) Миша13 17:59, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, I'll keep my eye on it from now on. J Milburn (talk) 18:05, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Archiving date problem?

After your archive bot began on Talk:George W. Bush military service controversy I noticed some old sections had no signatures, thus no dates. I used subst:unsigned2 to sign entries in the sections. After several days, the bot doesn't seem to have archived the sections. Maybe there is something about the formatting of the dates which the bot is not recognizing, but I'm just guessing. P.S. The section "Signature" was signed, but with an unusual date format also. -- SEWilco (talk) 16:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The correct sequence is: day, month, year. Just see what ~~~~~ produces. And don't forget the timezone - without it, the timestamp remains undefined. The bot already accepts a variety of timestamps, but I can't possibly compensate for anything people think of. Regards, Миша13 17:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

But the timestamps on a History page have no timezone, so {{unsigned2}} entries aren't recognized. I manually fixed that Talk page. -- SEWilco (talk) 05:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Could the bot accept some part of </small><!-- Template:Unsigned2 --> instead of a timezone? "small" is not widely used, so might be unusual enough to be a reasonable pattern symbol. Unless the bot recognizes all timezone names, "small" might be more unusual than a random three letter abbreviation within parentheses. Or does the bot recognize un-subst unsigned/unsigned2 template incantation? -- SEWilco (talk) 20:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't understand a bit from what you're saying. "Small" is not a valid timezone name. The solution is simple: add "(UTC)" to the date whenever you invoke {{unsigned}}. Миша13 21:29, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Help, please.

I tried to set up auto-archiving with Misza3. See here. I'd like to have my archiving set up similarly to the way Jimbo has it set up: Partially based on date, but partially based on incremental size. That way, I can edit Wikipedia sporadically without having archives that are messy. Did I do it right? Usually, bots are quick and I haven't seen Misza3 appear just yet. ☯  Zenwhat (talk) 21:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

The counter is a meaningless parameter when you don't use it. Either incremental or date-based; I can't see how you could combine these two. Миша13 21:27, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

news importer bot - don't remove categories etc from target portal page?

Currently when the bot updates it's target page, it removes all current content and replaces it with the new information. Is there any way for it to leave any information already existing after the last </noinclude> so that portal categories and editing notes can be left alone? Nanonic (talk) 06:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to add to this about perhaps having a link to a page over on Wikinews encouraging people from Wikipedia to get involved with the sister site. I've been scratching my head for days and still can't figure a pithy 3-4 word invite to put on the templates the bot maintains. I have RichardF and a couple of the other people who're making use of this bot looking over what the transition to Wikinews involves. I've proposed creating Wikinews:Wikinews:Welcome from Wikipedia as a landing page for this and would welcome your thoughts on this. --Brian McNeil /^talk 12:52, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't delete redirects!

Please don't delete "unnecessary" redirects, even orphaned talk pages. A redirect that was once made is likely to be useful again; redirects should be deleted only when they are actually harmful. See this policy. Since they're all Talk pages, it's probably not so important. (That's why I've decided against going through the list and restoring them.) But it's always possible that an external site linked to one of these old talk pages before it was moved, and Wikipedia has plenty of room (it's primarily bandwidth that Wikimedia needs money for), so they really should not be deleted. —Toby Bartels (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The redirects were created as a result of a page move (of the article). Being orphaned, they provide no internal added value (you don't search the Talk: namespace) and only amount to clutter (we may have a lot of space but that does not excuse from having a mess) and may even stand in the way of future moves (although it is just as unlikely as the page being linked to from outside of Wikipedia). What I'm doing is basically what DerHexer was doing back in 2007 - he once told me that it's a long-standing de.wiki practice - you might ask him how this idea was originally born. And since he was doing it in batches which apparently took him some time to prepare, I have devised a mechanism for full automation and have been running it ever since. On a more humorous note, it's good for your mental health that you have refrained from restoring those pages - DerHexer and myself have deleted some 30-40 (or more) thousand pages since it all started. :) Миша13 20:05, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Which speedy deletion criteria was that again? None? A link to where consensus was decided, then? Bot approval?

I'm not saying I'm actually opposed to this (I can see pros and cons, and do indeed value good housekeeping), but your response to this guy seems to be "I know best"...

Just to be clear, it's only orphaned talk pages you're deleting?--kingboyk (talk) 00:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hm, I didn't know we needed a CSD to delete something... :I

And it's not like "I know best"; I'm just doing systematically what takes others greater effort to do.

And to be completely clear, they're not only orphaned redirects, but also have only one item in page history (i.e. they were created by a move) and that move took place at least 30 days ago. Миша13 11:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I already talked to DerHexer about it, and all that he said was "I've not deleted unnecessary redirects for days. Misza13 is doing this at the moment.", so I checked it out and came over here. You're right that I would have a hard time deleting 30 or 40 thousand of these; that's why BOT policy requires preapproval. Your bot is apparently not checking the page's logs either, since it's not true that the only activity on these pages is a page move; some of them have been deleted and restored three times. Also, these pages are hardly clutter; they're well behaved redirects that no one will stumble upon from within Wikipedia (only from outside, which is why it's harmful to delete them). Furthermore, they won't stop page moves that reverse the previous move; more generally, they won't stop any page move that the non-discussion article allows. Finally, it's backwards to restrict your activity to old talk pages; it's new ones that are less likely to have received incoming links. (But it's really the length of history of the unmoved name that matters, not the length of time since the move.) —Toby Bartels (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok then, I'll work to redesign the bot to consider only new redirects (say, up to two weeks) and make sure there are no underlying deletion log entries. On the other hand, however, I wonder how often talk pages are linked to externally (examples?)... Миша13 17:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk page of History of California

Hello Misza13. I have re-created the talk page of History of California. You deleted it in December, 2007. I would like to know your views. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 12:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

My only view is that the page was a year-old redirect to Talk:History of California to 1899, so makes no difference to me. Миша13 17:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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Please be nice to people

I see that you blocked User:Yoooooooooooooooooooo. Please be nice to people. If you block them, it is nice to leave a politely worded message on their user talk page and instructions to pick a new name. Mrs.EasterBunny (talk) 16:38, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Waste of time. They'll get notified when they try (if they do) to edit by the block message. Plus, no need to further populate CAT:TEMP. In short, thanks, but no, thanks. Миша13 17:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Reliable Sources/Noticeboard

Your MiszaBot tag is embedded at the top of the [Reliable sources/Noticeboard] but the board is already up to 573K and the archive max is set to 250K. Not sure if it's working or I'm just missing something. Thanks. Wjhonson (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

The bot is set to archive any sections that haven't been edited for 28days, the 250k limit refers to the maximum size an archive page can reach before another is created. As the top section was last edited on 31 December, it will be archived on 27/28 January if no further comments are made to it. 86.21.74.40 (talk) 04:09, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks that's very helpful! Wjhonson (talk) 04:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleted image

I was reading the article John Keston and noticed there was an image tag missing its first bracket. So the non-free image Holmesplaybill.jpg showed as unused in an article and you deleted it. I'm wondering if there's a way you could undelete it as can be done with articles? If you manage to do it, can you perhaps fix the tag on the article or send me a message so I can fix it? I just wouldn't want to to be delete again for the same reason! :p --Dandin1 (talk) 18:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Can you in turn provide a fair use rationale for the image (in addition to removing the "orphaned" tag)? Миша13 18:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews importer bot/Main article space

Your bot is doing a good job but unfortunately the pages used by the article are placed in stories in development (main namespace). To stop this happening I would suggest you created an account and put them in the user namespace. If this is not possible you could put them in Portal:Country name/Wikipedia. --Smallbig/Anonymous101 on Wikinews 18:21, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me? All pages the bot updates are either /Wikinews subpages of relevant portals or subpages of Template:Wikinewshas. As far as I can tell from the bot's logs, pages on Wikinews it feeds from are portal or category subpages. Миша13 18:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews Importer Bot stalled?

Is the Wikinews Importer Bot stalled? Haven't been any updates to any subpages in quite a while now... Cirt (talk) 12:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC).

Seems to be running now. The toolserver had a downtime for the first half of the day. Миша13 17:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

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Bot requirements

Hi, Misza! I was wondering what it would take to run a copy of MiszaBot for use on my own wiki. Is that possible to do? If so, what would I need? This isn't urgent, as my wiki's being set up rather slowly, but eventually I'd like to get an archiver and an indexer running. Your indexer module idea in the header has me excited; I wouldn't have to also get a copy of HBC Archive Indexerbot. :) Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 12:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That shouldn't be all that hard. Once you have a family file for your wiki, it should be as simple as setting up something similar to User:MiszaBot/config and running the bot with correct parameters. There might be wrinkles (like some non-standard timezone), but these can be ironed out - one wiki I know to use it is the Battlestar Wiki. As for the indexer part, the development is on hold currently as I pursue a different project, but I'll get back to it soon enough. Миша13 17:24, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, so I'd just need to get the pyWikipediaBot framework and install Python on the server (if it's not present). I wouldn't need to get SVN commit access to make a family file, would I? I'd just have to add one to my local copy of the framework, yes? Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 18:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, a local copy in ther families/ directory would suffice. But once your wiki gets sufficiently "notable" ;) it could probably be added to the SVN tree. Миша13 19:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, then. Thanks! I'll be back to ask about source code in however many months it takes to get the site set up and working properly. Which could be a while... Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 01:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

PS: I doubt this wiki will get put in SVN; it's going to be a restricted-access site for project collaboration.

Viewing and editing Wikipedia while running scripts

Hi there. I'm asking you this as I think you (or your bot) run some scripts (image deletion scripts?) An issue at ANI involves whether an editor can view and/or edit Wikipedia while running a script. Could you advise on how easy it is for this sort of inability to arise, and how easy it is to get around? The idea is that editors should be able to respond to concerns and queries while running such scripts. This was an image deletion script running for 2 hours after a manual check. The thread is here. Any opinion on whether such "script-blindness" situations are common, and what the guidelines/workarounds should or could be, would be welcomed. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

My bots, being based on pywikipedia are by nature run from command line (either my PC or the toolserver). Thus, I have no problems whatsoever with using/browsing Wikipedia otherwise. The question whether I am at all online while the bots are running is on the other hand of completely different nature. Миша13 17:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

please allow covers

I am trying to update the Portugal The Man page to be accurate but you are deleting my files/comments. I manage the band this is correct info and we own it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fearofmusic (talk • contribs) 18:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

If you're referring to Image:Wizard cover hi.jpg, please read Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria - one of them requires that non-free images be used in articles - this one was orphaned and consequently deleted. You can reupload it if you actually include it in an article and write a fair-use rationale for it (or you can release it under a free license, like GFDL, which will mean that others are free to modify and/or redistribute works based on it). Миша13 19:22, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR

When you get a chance, can you generate a key for Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Regards, Mercury at 02:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Yet Another Deleted Image

You deleted the image in the "info box" on Turn Left. It was not unused as it obviously was uploaded and displayed prominently on that page, and it was not unfree as it was uploaded by an editor of the paper. We can't find a copy of the file so can you please give your reason and restore it if possible? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastcoastmystery (talk • contribs) 02:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

PR

Hej. Czy wiesz, może jak zostać ekspertem tu na en? Tzn. Jak zostać Peer review? Jeśli mogę to proszę o wytłumaczenie mi tego, bowiem uważam że umiesz skutecznie tłumaczyć. Pozdrawiam Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 20:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

No dzięki za komplement. W Wikipedia:Peer review chodzi mniej więcej o to, żeby ściągnąć do prac nad artykułem większą rzeszę ludzi. Jest na to jakaś tam procedura (sekcja "Nomination procedure") i tak się zaczyna - potem wolontariusze (Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers) zaczynają się znęcać nad artykułem (na tej stronie jest napisane żeby dać im znać na ich dyskusji, że pojawił się do przeglądu artykuł z ich "dziedziny") i jakoś się tam kolaboracja rozwija. Oczywiście nie chodzi tu o prawdziwych akademickich ekspertów, tylko "eskpertów"-amatorów (bo nikt Ci nie sprawdza w papierach, czy znasz się na tym, co piszesz). Nigdy w czymś takim nie uczestniczyłem, bo zajmuję się raczej techniczną stroną obsługi Wikipedii, ale żeby się zahaczyć jako "ekspert", to trzeba by pewnie zaciągnąć się na wspomnianą listę wolontariuszy, a główną stronę dodać do obserwowanych i... czekać na okazje. :) Миша13 21:48, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Jak rozumiesz pojęcie "Znęcać się nad artykułem"? No i czy wtedy, ja jako osoba znająca np. Harry'ego Pottera, mogę być ekspertem w tej dziedzinie? A tak przy okazji - czy masz komunikator internetowy? Pozdrawiam:-)Alden(Sharon boyfriend) or talk 22:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

"Znęcać" w potocznym sensie - czyli weryfikować i dodawać źródła, poprawiać/wywalać bzdury itepe. Jeżeli znasz się na HP, to po prostu dopisz się do listy wolontariuszy z adnotacją o Twoich zainteresowań i śledź główną stronę PR w poszukiwaniu interesujących zgłoszeń. Z komunikatorów używam tylko IRC, na freenode często można mnie spotkać. Миша13 21:20, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Mógłbyś podać mi linka, gdzie mam się zapisać? Znam się na geografii i innych tego typu pierdołach Przy okazji - jest tu prócz ciebie i Piotrusa polskojęzyczny admin?:) Kasia a.k.a KatLos 22:34, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Tak jak pisałem, Wikipedia:Peer review/volunteers. Z innych swojskich adminów jest jeszcze Darwinek, a więcej można by poszukać na WP:PWNB, ale ostatnio rzadko tam zaglądam. Миша13 17:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleted Image

Apparently, you recently deleted an image I uploaded: Image:Gunz0148gp2.JPG. That image was not an unused, unfree image, as its been in the article for Gunz: The Duel for over a year. What's more is that image was not tagged with an orphaned image tag (I believe I get a new message when that happens, but I did not), and recently (3 days ago) re-added the picture to Gunz article after someone deleted it off the article for no real reason. The time between that deletion and the re-add is six days, which is sooner than the seven-day cutoff period for the orphaned image restriction, which, as I said, was never added. If you could, please, restore the image? Thank you. --Antoshi~! ^{T | C} 01:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

The image was tagged on January 15th. Please discuss it with Mr.Z-man, who removed it from the article. Миша13 17:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot not working

i dont know if this's the place to ask but User:MiszaBot is not working on my talk page. would you mind helping me? Σαι ( Talk ) 03:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Archives have to be on subpages of the page that calls the bot. You had "User Talk:" in the settings, when the namespace is "User talk:" (lowercase 't'). I fixed it; post back if it still doesn't work and I'm sure Misza will get on the case ASAP. :) Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 04:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You were correct. I really should make the bot case-insensitive with regard to namespace. Миша13 17:33, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Personally, and this is just my own opinion, I wouldn't bother. Setting up archival is usually a one-time thing. Making the bot case-insensitive could confuse people into thinking that links like User Talk:Voyagerfan5761 should work. I know one of the central tenets of software development is to adapt the program to the user, but I don't see how it would be particularly useful in this case. But you do whatever you want with your bot; I don't care that much. ;-) Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 00:27, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you deleted this image:

Image:Pie pequeño.JPG, that is. It was deleted once before because it had no fair use rationale. It must have been restored and had a rationale added, but it got removed from the article it had occupied, and apparently no one bothered to return it. If you'll please restore the image, I'd like to return it to its article. Please and thank you! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 05:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Restored, but the image lacks any rationale whatsoever (see WP:FURG) - please write one and then add the image to the article. Миша13 17:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

You may delete it now. It is visible in Littlefoot's article again, but not under the same file name. I re-uploaded it under another file name which I had already placed in there, but it now has a proper fair-use rationale at last. Thank you for your time!!! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 01:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

super hawt drama

Ok, that section header made me absolutely laugh out loud. Thanks for adding perspective. Keeper | 76 19:28, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot issue: no links to new archives

I'm not sure if this has been brought up before (sorry if it has), but when the archive bots create a new archive page after the previous one fills up, they do not make a link from the (current) talk page to the new page. This makes it seem that discussions archived to newer page(s) before links to those pages are made have disappeared/been deleted. Maybe use something like {{Special:Prefixindex/User talk:Misza13/Archives/2008/01/Archive}} (based on Template:afd2)? Jason McHuff (talk) 11:02, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been asked before. If you use a standard naming scheme for your archives (/Archive N), you can use the {{archive box}} template: {{archive box|auto=yes}}. Миша13 19:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Marsupial Lion

11:19, 15 December 2007 Misza13 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Marsupial Lion" ‎ (Orphaned redirect talk page (moved or created 366 days ago))

Hi, not sure why this was deleted, but could you restore it please? Thanks. —Viriditas | Talk 12:22, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Simple housekeeping. It was merely a redirect (not an actual talk page) to Talk:Thylacoleo. Not links to it anywhere, unlikely to be searched for, thus I see no reason why it should exist. Can you name one? Миша13 19:04, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah, are you saying the talk page for Talk:Marsupial Lion was moved to Talk:Thylacoleo? That's what this seems to suggest. I'll move the project tags back to the talk page and see if I can reclaim any old talk. FYI, it was an actual talk page but was subject to many moves, and in the process, the original talk page and page history were lost. So this is a bad page move that needs the history repaired, not the talk page deleted. Someone forgot to restore the old talk and history. See also:[2] I need an administrator to restore the lost talk and article history. —Viriditas | Talk 23:35, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Hold on, this is a real mess. Someone has now duplicated three pages on Marsupial Lions, the newest being Thylacoleonidae. Might take some time to fix all this. —Viriditas | Talk 23:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot for auto-rating?

Hey Misza13, I know this exists somewhere, just not sure where and you seem like a good person to ask. Do you know of a bot that checks to see if an article talk page has a quality/importance rating from a project, and then fills in empty ratings for the other project tags on the same page? I want something to auto-assess talkpages for {{WikiProject Theatre}} - all the categories are empty since I just added the quality-assessment function - but I don't want to go rating 1,000 articles manually... Cirt (talk) 11:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't recall any bots from memory, but I have found this: Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BotCompuGeek linked from Wikipedia:Bots/Status by searching for "assess". It's "only" AWB, but still would speed up the process (you'd probably nned a plugin like the Kingbotk). Миша13 20:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't follow, could you give me an example of how to do it? Cirt (talk) 21:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't since I don't use WP:AWB. But I imagine it's as simple as installing it and adding the plugin (the user guide explains how). Whether there is a non-AWB bot that does the same, I don't know. Миша13 22:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'll look into it further. Cirt (talk) 18:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Archives not archiving

I set up Misza bot to archive my user talk page, however I just discovered it isn't really archiving anything. It removes the old threads from my page, but it never puts them in the archive. On the archive summary, it says it is archiving "to /dev/null." I've removed it from now, but this is the code I used:

{{User:MiszaBot/config |maxarchivesize = 250K |counter = 2 |algo = old(3d) |minthreadsleft = 0 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |archive = User talk:Collectonian/Archive %(counter)d }}

Did I set something wrong? Collectonian (talk) 01:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

It may not be explicitly stated in the user guide, but the template simply cannot be compacted onto one line like you did - it must be one parameter per line. Миша13 10:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh...thanks :) Collectonian (talk) 18:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Trackers - analysis of logs

Hi Misza. I was looking at the trackers updated by your bot, and I was wondering if the same sort of thing can be done with block logs? Have a look at Wikipedia talk:Blocking policy#Block logs analysis - logging indefinite blocks (still being written). If you think something could be done, please indicate this over there. Thanks. Carcharoth (talk) 02:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

archiveheader parameter

Hi, and thanks for adding the archiveheader parameter to your wonderful bot! I have a couple of questions about its use.

1. Does the bot assume that the target is in the Template namespace? That is does the template need to be in curly brackets ({}) or does the namespace need to be specified (i.e. Template:Example)?
2. Can it support sub-page templates outside of the template namespace? For example, the Drawing board's archives are three layers deep (/Archive/<year>/<month>) and the standard templates won't reach up back to the main discussion page. I'd like to set up a subpage of the project page with the needed template if the bot will support it.

Thanks again for writing/running this bot! I love how organized the date format makes the Drawing board's archives. Cheers! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 00:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I can't speak for Misza, but I think the archiveheader is raw wikitext. I've put in {{User:Voyagerfan5761/talkarchive}} and it seems to be working quite well. Of course, the bot hasn't created a new archive page quite yet; I still have a few KB to go. (I used to have Werdnabot/Shadowbot3.) Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 01:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

1. I'm afraid I don't quite understand - the parameter is just raw text that will be put on newly-created archives.
2. Create a template wherever you want - the parameter also supports substitution of variables if you need them. Миша13 17:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually I think you answered quite well. Thanks for the help! —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 17:18, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

ACCESS (TV channel)

Hiya! I was wondering, if you would be able to un-delete the ACCESS TV logos, would you also let me place the appropriate non-free image copyright tags (with sources) so they can be used on wikipedia again? I can list the images in question if you want. they are:

• Image:ACCESS Television logo.svg
• Image:Access Logo 1.jpg
• Image:Access TV Alberta-3.gif

Thanks for taking time to read this. RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 01:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Your job now to clean them up, provide fair use rationales and so on. Миша13 17:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Adding proper licensing tags now :) RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 18:05, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

MY Rfa

My effort to regain adminship was unsuccessful. Thank you for taking some time out of your day to voice your opinion.--MONGO 05:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Email

New message. Regards, Rudget. 17:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Archiving not working?

I've set up archiving as per the instructions on my talk page, but it doesn't seem to be functioning.--Crossmr (talk) 00:41, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I've tweaked the code for you. You should go in there and set the minthreadsleft and minthreadstoarchive options (defaults 5 and 2, respectively) to lower numbers if you don't get very many talk page messages. Tuvok[^T@lk/_Improve] 07:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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