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-- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 12:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moroccan history articles

Hi, I have recently contributed some articles on Morocco tho' not a participant of WP:MAROC, namely Aghmat, Bou Hamara, El Hiba and rewrite of T'hami El Glaoui. I'm not a Moroccan (or French or Spanish) so I hope they meet with approval from those "sur le champs" ... anyway, I have noticed that there are 2 articles on same subject but different names: Bargawata and Berghouata. What to do? First has less detail but is more accurate, second has more detail but factual errors. Also neither title is a good English transliteration, should be Barghawata I think. I am willing to do the work to merge if you give advice about what would be best. MisterCDE 03:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi and welcome MisterCDE. Thanks for the message. I appreciate your work. I agree that Barghawata is the most accurate name (see map here). I therefore merged the 2 articles and moved Berghouata to Barghawata. Have a look at it and fix things you think they should be fixed. You've done great work indeed for the rest of the articles mentioned above. I've copy edited Aghmat and will have a look at the rest later on. Do not hesitate to contact me if you need any help or if you are willing to edit more articles. See you around. Cheers. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 13:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments FayssalF. I made some small addition to Barghawata, also fixed a factual error I made on Aghmat page. I will do what I can to add/change more articles, even thought of tackling Marrakech problem, but altho' I have visited Morocco on occasions my specialty is really Middle Ages so I don't feel particularly qualified on current events, geography etc. Best wishes, MisterCDE 04:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts as well. I believe History of Morocco needs a lot of work. I just can't find the appropriate time to deal w/ it. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 18:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello again ... I notice you have had some hand in the page on Uqba ibn Nafi. Is it appropriate to have half the page given over to Gibbon's account, which is riddled with Gibbon's own POV and which is fairly out-of-date? See my update to Umayyad conquest of North Africa where I added a section on the problems associated with this period of history (unfortunately my session timed out so it got added under my IP address instead of username). Best wishes, MisterCDE 04:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I added another historical account to have a balance. Please check. -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 12:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... its an improvement, but I wouldn't use Ibn Idhari myself, the Tunisian historian H. R. Idris has shown that for the conquest of the Maghreb he just copied directly or indirectly from ar-Raqiq or al-Maliki a couple of centuries before. Also, you've linked Ibn Idhari to someone else with the same nisba? The problem with Gibbon is that he wrote in the 18th century so his sources are poor ("the grateful Akbah unlocked his fetters" is incorrect to my knowledge, according to most versions Abu al-Muhadjir decided to die wearing his chains), also he is notorious for writing everything with a very cynical and sarcastic POV (although fun to read) (not just my POV, its general - refer article Edward Gibbon). I think he is used in Wikipedia only because he is out of copyright rather than his quality, I'd discourage that. I might do something with Uqba myself sometime, but not right now. Best wishes. MisterCDE 01:09, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Morocco WikiProject

Wikipedia:WikiProject Morocco -- Szvest - ^{Wiki me up ®} 18:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toi

Thanks for the comment about Toi and Whakatane. How shall we rewrite it - do you have a source handy? Or I guess the updated Te Ara encyclopedia on the web will have an updated version. Come to think of it I have the book Te Ara recently published. Kahuroa 06:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with what's in "Te Ara", but knowing Jock Phillips (from the DNZB project) it should be reasonable, although of course it all depends on individual authors. The online version does not appear to have a very good search engine. I have a copy of Horouta and Rongo Halbert's version of events based on East Coast whakapapa sounds good to me (Toi te Huatahi and Toi Kairakau are 2 different individuals generations apart, and there is likewise an identity confusion with Kupe and Whatonga). He blames the confusion on Tuhoe, which of course is where Best seems to have got all his info. So if you want, I can put that in, otherwise it's up to you ... I live in Ahitereiria these days, but I have an extensive library. MisterCDE 03:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Same here, I'm supposed to be working! I think the right approach is to have biog articles on some at least of the Tois ... there are actually 3 in the whakapapa given by Halbert and also by John Steedman(2 called te Huatahi and 1 Kairakau), particularly Toi te Huatahi II who is the one who had Whatonga as his grandson. But it's complex stuff ... your wiki article on Kupe is fantastic, one would aim at the same sort of thing for Toi. I may or may not get around to it but like you not this week for sure. MisterCDE 04:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Toi (name)

Clobbered it seems - but not by me, I'm not an admin on this wiki, so I can't delete stuff. Maybe it got listed for deletion? As for Myoporum, you might be right, but the NZPCN lists only one mainland species, with some variation mention under 'Similar species'. Kahuroa 09:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

I asked an admin to check it out for me, and the reply he gave is:

Hey, nice to hear from you. The Toi article was deleted under WP:CSD#G6 ("Housekeeping. Non-controversial maintenance tasks such as temporarily deleting a page in order to merge page histories, performing a non-controversial page move like reversing a redirect, or removing a disambiguation page that only points to a single article"). This looks to me to have been a mistake, since the fact that you are concerned means that it is not 'uncontroversial', and it does not seem to be purely house-keeping. One factor (though not stated) may have been that the article functioned as a disambiguation page, but there were only red-links in it. The best way forward, I think, is for me to recreate the page and for you to work to improve it. Best, Bucketsofg 17:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Re your comment on my talk, I think you have a good point. How about we move Toi (name) to Toi and Whatonga? It would take ages to write 3 or 4 articles and much of the content would have to be repetitive, but a name like that would allow it to be a single article fairly readily. I reckon if I got carried away it could be quite a long article along the lines of Kupe almost, there is a lot of stuff in Simmons, but I don't really feel like getting into it that much, so maybe a shorter article would be better for now. Kahuroa 04:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bab Agnaou

Dear Sir, Would you happen to know anybody, who knows anybody who knows what the translation is of the text on Bab Agnaou (see picture).S711 15:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Banou Ifran

Hello Sorry it's only french language the reference Sorry for my anglish too

Rawd al-Qirtas, it's not only source of this tribe. And Rawd al-Qirtas , it's so confused ^[1]

They are many reference books to History of Ifran

Thank's --70.55.58.211 (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

as i am a ferni ( proud to use this word) i would like to thanks you for your article, to be honest i searched in the net without much help, it was a kind of a dilemma for me, i feel i am a berber but never understood why my ancestor only spoken arabic, this is still a mystery but at last i know who i am, by the way, misterCDE, are u Common Desktop Environment fanatic or i am missing the obvious morphado —Preceding comment was added at 17:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)