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[edit] Jet aces

Judging by your work here, it looks like you've got pretty good sources, so let me ask: how many aces were there in Me-163 & He-162? Any? If you've got the info, can you include type of aircraft in the table? And, for my own interest (& not because I disbelieve you :) ), what's your source? Trekphiler (talk)

Yeah, that's what I thought. I've never heard of a kill scored by either, honestly. Thanx. (I do still want the name of your sources, tho. I can't resist a good reference. =]) Trekphiler (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC) (OK, I should look at the links, first. 8[ 14:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC))
Looking at the references here, I'd have found it eventually. Thanx for being patient. BTW, nice work adding pages. Have you seen this? Or this?
This user is a member at plane.spottingworld
Trekphiler (talk) 14:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


Glad to do it. If you're coming over to PSW, it's just like WP, just all-aviation. Any help cutting & pasting articles from WP is appreciated, too, just add a {{From Wikipedia}} tag at the bottom of the page (I put it in before I paste in), & I try to del links that don't apply to aviation after I paste but before saving. (I also include missiles & air-related movies & such, like "Airwolf" or "Blue Thunder", & I've gotten no complaints.) Anybody else you know of might be interested, send 'em over! Tell 'em Ghostrider2 sent you (my "call" over there). Ciao. Trekphiler (talk) 14:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

By now you probably know I don't read as carefully as I might. 8[ I'll post it here (the main reason I wanted it). Trekphiler (talk) 15:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The smiley's nice. The good source is better. And I can't find a "smiley" for embarrassed. Keep up the good work. Trekphiler (talk) 15:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Hartmann

So you recon that Harmann was innocent and spent 10 years in the camps for nothing? I'll try to get that German work that you recon absolves him of any crimes.--mrg3105 (comms) ♠♣ 11:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiCookie

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[edit] Re:Erich Hartmann

Oops, looks like I forgot! Anyway, it's done now. Cheers, --Eurocopter (talk) 13:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jet aces images

Hi there, see Image:Kurt welter.jpg where I have added in the fair-use templates for both articles and structured the page. Use that as a template and you should be fine. Regards. Woody (talk) 09:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-08 Curtiss P-40

Hi, I've volunteered to mediate at P-40. You've made comments at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-05-08 Curtiss P-40 but are not listed as a party to the dispute. Should you be listed? Thanks! --Kevin Murray (talk) 12:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Welcome and thanks for your help so far. --Kevin Murray (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Brown/Marseille

I don't own a copy of Brown's book. When I get a chance I will go back to my local reference library and look at Brown's appendix on overclaiming again. That may not be for a few weeks. Grant | Talk 15:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think so, yes. Grant | Talk 15:32, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marseille

I am affraid not. I found this once :[www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-11725-p-2.html] but I am not sure. Dapi89 (talk) 23:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe I had raised this on the same archive page as well. I can confirm(ish) only in favour of Brown. See here: http://www.geocities.com/raf_112_sqdn2/57thfghonor_roll42-43.htm. Dapi89 (talk) 00:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have contacted the USAAF Archives Division. I hope they will be able to help. Dapi89 (talk) 10:59, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I have received a reply. The USAAF say that their records, or as they put it, "the official history", does not list any U.S pilots or aircraft of the 57th FG lost on 15 September 1942. They say that combat operations began on 12 August, but from that date to 15 September not one loss were reported. Dapi89 (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW, they also say that between these dates 158 missions of a combat nature were flown including several fighter sweeps, but mostly bomber scort missions. Dapi89 (talk) 16:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Go ahead and make fixes where you think there are mistakes. Dapi89 (talk) 16:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page moves

I've done them all except Alfred Heckmann as there is already an article there that another admin doesn't think is a copyvio. (I will investigate this one further.) Hut 8.5 08:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Herbert Bareuther

Hi, thanks for the message. I have removed the mention of Knight's Cross from the article Herbert Bareuther. So if Knight's Cross is out, then he is the recipient of Ehrenpokal der Luftwaffe and Deutsches Kreuz. However his stat is 55 aircraft. Also can you please use the book Walther-Peer Fellgiebel (2000), Die Träger des Ritterkreuzes des Eisernen Kreuzes 1939-1945 as reference for the Awards section in the article Franz Barten for his Knight's Cross? It will increase the number of references. I do not have the copy. Thanks. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You listed several names in the article List of World War II aces from Germany. Some of them has low stat like 7 aircraft, 11 aircraft etc. Do you think all of them meet WP:BIO? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: 57th Wing

I appologize for taking so long to get back to you. I'm sorry, I don't have any insight to share on where beyond the source cited in the List of World War II aces from the United States. Best of luck with your search! Ndunruh (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I just came across this site: [1]. Hopfully it can help with your research. If the site itself does not have any information you may be able to get some leads through the 'contact us' link at the bottom left of the page, or by contacting the Nellis AFB Public Affairs Office at 99abw.pa@nellis.af.mil hope this helps. Ndunruh (talk) 13:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of German World War II jet aces

Very nice list. I've asked a couple of questions at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of German World War II jet aces. The list has been nominated for quite some time, so I'm trying to get this, and many others closed over the weekend. If you can, please take some time to review some of the lists in the orange "overtime box" at WP:FLC. Regards, Matthewedwards (talk · contribs · count · email) 21:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kurt Tanzer

Hi, do you have a good reference where the exact stat of Tanzer is mentioned. The reference I used does not mention the exact stat, it states more than 128 enemy aircraft. Somewhere I saw his stat is nearly 145, but I cannot find the book where it is mentioned. If you have any book which clearly states his stat, please mention it in the article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Brown

Yes it is a good book. So you managed to find a copy? I believe it is now quite expensive, even here in Australia. Grant | Talk 01:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I just saw your post at mediation. That is interesting about the inaccurate No. 239 Wing claims on 15/9/42. I don't remember seeing anything about that in Brown, so I presume you are comparing Brown to another source(?) Also, does Brown actually state that the 57th Wing pilots were flying the own P-40F with 239 Wing? I did look for this in his book and could not conform it it. I think it unlikely, given that the F-variant used the Packard Merlin engine, which would have presented some problems for units equipped for and used to dealing with Allisons. Grant | Talk 02:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree about the "fog of war", although it seems to me that there is a big difference between five kills = 19 claims and zero kills = four claims. Perhaps this is my national bias showing :-) There is also the matter of what was accepted as confirmation, such as Brown's comment about the Panzer commander and the cloud of dust, although I'm not in a position to assess Brown's source for such remarks. Regards, Grant | Talk 07:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Günther Schack

Hallo, MisterBee, Guten Abend,

thank you for having "reanimated" the article about my uncle Günther Schack.

Tried to transfer the text about his life from the German Wiki to English (without copyright violation, because it is my own text), but my English is not so good. Perhaps you can pimp it up and then insert it?????

Thank you in advance Best regards --88.72.6.8 (talk) 21:17, 6 June 2008 (UTC) (in German Wiki: Reichensee)

==Life==
Guenther Schack was born in Bartenstein, a small town in Eastern Prussia, on November 12th 1917 as the son of Dr. Willy Schack and his wife, Dorothea, born Nietzki. He studied at the Technical Universities of Stuttgart and Aachen. In 1937, when he first tried to join the Luftwaffe, he was categorised as “wehruntauglich” (ineligible for military service) because of a sports injury in his early life. But after a new application as a volunteer he was accepted and joined the German Air Force (Luftwafffe at September 2nd 1939. After training for fighter pilot he met the 7th flying squadron of the Jagdgeschwader 51 with the service grad of a private/lance corporal. His first victory in aerial combat, he won on July 23rd 1941 at the eastern front (“Ostfront”). Meanwhile, he was promoted to the rank of a sergeant. After his 48th air victory, he was ordered back to Germany to serve as a flight instructor and was there promoted to lieutenant on January 1st 1943. In Mid-1943 he returned back to the eastern front and now served in the 9th flying squadron of the Jagdgeschwader 51. On September 3rd 1943 he could mark up his 100th Air victory and on December 8th 1943 he became chief of the 9th flying squadron. On July 1st 1944 Schack got his promotion to captain (Hauptmann). In December 1944 he advanced to commander of the 1st Group and after its dissolution at May 1st 1945 he was named commander of the 4th Group of the Jagdgeschwader 3. By the end of the war, he had scored 174 victories in 780 aerial combats and was shot down 15 times.
After the war Günther Schack worked as a sales manager in the manufacturing company of his uncle. In 1968 he resign from his job, left his wife and his three children and begun a new life in a isolated cottage in the mountain area Eifel where he lived as a vegetarian cultivating his own vegetables. During this time, he tried to deal with his traumata of the war and to develop and propagate his own philosophy of life: the “Homokratie”

[edit] German points system

Yes, I think so. But I would not make a big deal about it, as it does not exactly fit "overclaiming" and "confirmation" of aerial victories. But to dispel the myth, I would mention it. Dapi89 (talk) 18:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)