Talk:Mission San Juan Capistrano/Archive01

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Basilica

It appears that there is some confusion regarding the use and meaning of the term Basilica and how it should apply to certain Spanish settlements of the California Mission System. Basilica in its canonical sense refers specifically to a worship space ("a church of very important historical significance") which, in the case of the missions, only applies to one particular element of the outpost. Missions consisted of workshops, kitchens, dormitories, farmlands, etc. in addition to the chapel and ancillary spaces. More specifically:

  • San Diego de Alcalá refers to itself on its website as both a "Mission" and a "Basilica."
  • San Carlos Borroméo de Carmelo specifically uses the term only in reference to one of its worship spaces, and it makes a clear distinction between the "Basilica" and the "Blessed Sacrament Chapel."
  • San Francisco de Asís (Mission Dolores) does not use the term on its website, and the "Basilica" there specifically consists of an adjacent structure that was not in existence until relatively recently.
  • San Juan Capistrano maintains separate websites for the Mission and the adjacent parish church and only uses the term on the parish website. As with San Francisco de Asís, the "Basilica" there specifically consists of an adjacent structure that was not in existence until relatively recently. Though both sites are owned by the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles, they are legally separate entities.

According to The Catholic Encyclopedia, "…the word mission is confined to the work of bringing pagans into the Church" which is clearly not the function of these modern churches. The facilities in question were established as temporary outposts, and the four listed above received the "Basilica" designation only after they had served their original purpose and had been "resurrected" by the Catholic Church many years later—each of the articles states as much.

These are all negative POV statements.

--Lordkinbote 07:54, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Delisted GA

This article did not go through the current GA nomination process. Looking at the article as is, it fails on criteria 2b of the GA quality standards. Although references are provided, the citation of sources is essential for verifiability. Most Good Articles use inline citations. I would recommend that this be fixed, to reexamine the article against the GA quality standards, and to submit the article through the nomination process. --RelHistBuff 12:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Pirate Festival

Apparantly, the annual "Pirate Festival" held at the end of October which recreated Bouchard's attack on the mission has now been replaced by "Kids Day at the Mission."

Mission San Juan Capistrano removed from Wikipedia:Good articles

Mission San Juan Capistrano was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because Fails to meet Wikipedia:Verifiability—Preceding unsigned comment added by ClairSamoht (talk • contribs) unsigned added by Lord Kinbote, please sign your entries.

I'd like to help bring this up to GA and eventually to FA. There is truly no place like this on earth and it deserves the best possible coverage. Anyone who can help point me in the right direction is welcome to contact me. - Lucky 6.9 05:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

In the meantime, I'm relisting the article as a GA - it's even better than before! Mr Snrub 02:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Statue of Junipero Serra

In light of recent scandals in the Catholic church, that statue of Serra embracing a nearly nude young boy has taken on a creepily ironic quality. Since the statue is 20th century and not historically meaningful, maybe that picture should go. Unless we're trying to get people to giggle. Ninquerinquar 00:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

  • One thing has nothing to do with the other. There have never been assertions of sexual molestation in the California mission system. That the boy is "nearly nude" is historically accurate as per the culture of the time. And the history of the Mission in the 20th century is just as meaningful to the article as any other time period. The only people that would "giggle" are too immature to appreciate the encyclopedic content of Wikipedia and the breadth of knowledge we are trying to establish here. Mdhennessey 01:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)