Talk:Miss America

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[edit] Edit Removal

cur) (last) 00:30, 3 Mar 2005 Infrogmation m (Reverted edits by 69.107.96.61 to last version by TheCustomOfLife) -- I don't understand why my edit was removed; I assume that Infrogmation deleted the external link because it linked to the Offical Miss America website showing winners--if so, this is an erroneous understanding of how the Internet is supposed to work, I guess based on what Frog thinks the law is, probably from the Playboy decision widely quoted in the popular press. But then again this is Wikipedia, where you can be a law unto yourself... 69.107.96.61 08 March 2004

Your edit was reverted because External links go in the section of that name at the bottom of the page, and the official Miss America website was already linked there. I don't understand the rest of your comment. -- Infrogmation 08:00, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

We should update the picture at the top of the page once a year to that year's winner? I also put in a bot request on this topic. Cromwellt, Waarmstr 18:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miss [State] USA vs. Miss [State] America

(This comment could potentially apply to 50 or so pages so I thought I'd just say it once here.) When searching on Miss California it takes me to the page for Miss USA's California contestant. How should we/I go about clarifying this? I assume there should probably be two pages; Miss California (USA), and Miss California (America), with a note in the first paragraph similar to the Miss America page. Waarmstr 18:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

That problem was fixed recently, with a separate page Miss California, that links to other one. --Rob 04:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miss [State] Pages missing

There are a great number of State level pages missing. So far I've only been able to confirm the existence of Miss California & Miss Texas. If someone doesn't mind typing in all 50 state names maybe we could determine how many have pages, and add a list of needed pages here. We won't have to start completely from scratch as some "people" pages mention past winners. e.g. Marilyn Meseke from Ohio, even though there is no "Miss Ohio" page. Waarmstr 18:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, those are the only two state pageants that have articles. --Rob 06:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Picture width

I've made the picture at the top, Image:Miss America contestants visit Andrews 2003.jpg, wider than avergae, 450px, but I think it's justified. It's within the max recommeded (of 550 per Wikipedia:Image use policy#Displayed image size). Also, it's height is only 188 pixels. Wiki software happens to require us to specify the width, but not the height. But really, this image is no bigger than tall image that was 188 wide, and 450 tall. --Rob 02:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Miss USA discussion may relate to this article

At Talk:Miss USA it's being discussed if it was good to put winners in a separate article, or if they should be merged back into the main article. I thought editors of this article, would be interested in that discussion, as its basically the same situation. --Rob 23:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The article states: As of 2006, Mississippi remains the only state to have produced Miss Americas in consecutive years.

However, in the list of winners, it lists two consecutive winners (1935-1936) from Pennsylvania.

Am I missing something? Is this an error? An oversight?

[edit] Error in Article?

The article indicates that Mississippi is the only state to have consecutive winners (1959-1960). However, the article lists consecutive winners from Pennsylvania in 1935-1936. This is an inconsistency and/or error in the article. Please edit. Thanks. 64.12.116.199 04:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Joe

[edit] Article maliciously pumped full of hard-to-detect errors by 68.96.145.202

Hello all, My watchlist deals with topics unrelated to this article, but I followed a vandal here from one of my watchlist articles. You should know that 68.96.145.202 maliciously pumped the "winners" list full of hard-to-detect errors (for example, instead of inserting "Mickey Mouse", which would be clearly obvious as vandalism, he pumped it full of innocuous-sounding names that don't draw notice, overwriting the real names.) Someone interested in and knowledgeable about this topic should probably revert all changes back to at least 2006-10-15, or earlier, or else re-verify the entire article. There may be other anonymous edits earlier than that of this same type. Lumbercutter 15:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks to me that 68.96.145.202 has repeatedly vandalized the article, and been fairly promptly reverted each time. The version at present as far as I can see has none of those vandalisms. Sorry, what is the problem? Wondering, -- Infrogmation 15:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Oops, sorry, I did see that many of the vandalism instances were reverted, but looking at the history log I thought I saw some that had gone undetected. However, when I looked closer to find an example, some that I thought had gone undetected are in fact corrected in the latest version. Sorry about that, my main goal was to flag this for someone who was more familiar with the article and its subject matter than I am, so they could take a close look. Thanks for following up. Next time I will pin down an example before raising the flag! Lumbercutter 23:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Okay then. Better being too cautious about vandalism than letting it slide. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 00:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

At basically all events related to the Miss America pageant there has been protests contesting that the event is degrading to woman and a range of other issues. Shouldn't therefore the article have a "criticism" section detailing these controversies regarding the event. Canderra 22:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

More mention of criticism (and counter-criticism) is good, as long as its well sourced to notable opinion makers. Freel free to add to the article, while citing your sources. --Rob 05:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I disagree with the sentence "Since then all Miss America pageants have attracted protests of varying sizes." I was present at the 2006 pageant in Las Vegas and there was no protest. Also, there is no source listed for this statement.--Matt Sgarlata 17:44, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wins by state

I have removed the following table from the article. It has numberous problems, especially that many of the early titleholders were affiliated with cities instead of states, such as Mary Katherine Campbell who was Miss Columbus, not Miss Ohio. --After Midnight 0001 04:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

State # of
Titles Won		 Year(s) Won
Miss California 6 1925, 1941, 1943, 1946, 1955, 1983
Miss Ohio 6 1922, 1923, 1938, 1963, 1972, 1978
Miss Oklahoma 6 1926, 1967, 1981, 1996, 2006, 2007
Miss Illinois 5 1927, 1969, 1991, 1998, 2003
Miss Pennsylvania 5 1924, 1935, 1936, 1940, 1954
Miss Michigan 4 1939, 1961, 1970, 1988
Miss Mississippi 4 1959, 1960, 1980, 1986
Miss Alabama 3 1951, 1995, 2005
Miss Colorado 3 1956, 1958, 1974
Miss Kansas 3 1966, 1968, 1997
Miss Minnesota 3 1948, 1977, 1989
Miss New York 3 1945, 1976, 1984
Miss Texas 3 1942, 1971, 1975
Miss Arizona 2 1949, 1965
Miss Arkansas 2 1964, 1982
Miss District of Columbia 2 1921, 1944
Miss Florida 2 1993, 2004
Miss Hawaii 2 1992, 2001
Miss New Jersey 2 1937, 1984
Miss South Carolina 2 1957, 1994
Miss Tennessee 2 1947, 1987
Miss Utah 2 1952, 1985
Miss Virginia 2 1979, 1999
Miss Connecticut 1 1933
Miss Georgia 1 1953
Miss Kentucky 1 2000
Miss Missouri 1 1990
Miss North Carolina 1 1962
Miss Oregon 1 2002
Miss Wisconsin 1 1973

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States with no Miss America Titles: Miss Alaska, Miss Delaware, Miss Idaho, Miss Indiana, Miss Iowa, Miss Louisiana, Miss Maine, Miss Maryland, Miss Massachusetts, Miss Montana, Miss Nebraska, Miss Nevada, Miss New Hampshire, Miss New Mexico, Miss North Dakota, Miss Rhode Island, Miss South Dakota, Miss Vermont, Miss Virgin Islands, Miss Washington, Miss West Virginia and Miss Wyoming.

[edit] Miss America 2007

Why has the Miss America 2007 pageant received its own section? This is against Wikipedia policy as the latest occurrence of an ongoing event should not receive disproportionate focus. I agree the format changes need mention, but this should be integrated with other sections and the remaining detail placed in the specific Miss America 2007 article. Canderra 00:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss Black America?

Removed a reference to Miss Black America in the text. It only has black and mixed-race entrants (not just black whatever that is) but then again there are numerous beauty pageants based on ethnicity as well as national origin within the US. So it is not unique in its construction and I'm not sure it is relevant to this article. There are numerous Miss Fill In the Blank America pageants so how is this one unique and notable in this instance? Doc Meroe 03:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Ratings for the televised event?

Would it be possible to see the ratings for the television broadcasts through the years. I'm curious to know if the ratings have fallen over the years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.57.50 (talk) 20:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question on early history

I came upon a newspaper headline recently to the effect of Miss Coney Island to go to National Beauty Contest in Atlantic City, I think from 1922. Did the early Miss America contest indeed take contestants directly from local contests below the state level?--Pharos 04:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, in the early years the state pageants did not exist. --After Midnight 0001 15:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't we have something on this in the article, then? Thanks.--Pharos 03:01, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
WP:SOFIXIT --After Midnight 0001 23:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From the Criticism Section

The Miss America pageant has long attracted criticism for much the same reasons as the criticism attracted by other beauty contests, mainly that ugly women hate being reminded that men prefer the pretty kind.

Methinks someone slipped one past the WikiGoalie... 64.252.187.219 02:45, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I've fixed this now. If you want to try to fix stuff like this yourself next time, you can look at Help:Reverting.--Pharos 03:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Miss World?

Do the Miss World and Miss Universe competitions pull from the winners of this for their American contestants, or from somewhere else?66.41.66.213 19:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reality series

I propose that the "Miss America 2007" section be changed to reflect the move to a reality-series based contest. There should be some mention of TLC's new reality series on both this article and the 2008 article. 72.242.166.132 (talk) 22:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)