Talk:Mirza Fatali Akhundov

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[edit] Swietochowski

Tadeusz Swietochowski does not call Akhundov an "Iranian nationalist". No personal interpretations, please, that's against the rules. Grandmaster 07:08, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Tadeusz Swietochowski says "Akhundzada was one of the forerunners of modern Iranian nationalism, and of its militant manifestations at that." AlexanderPar 08:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well then, we can add that to the article. Grandmaster 10:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

That means he was an Iranian nationalist. LOL.Hajji Piruz 14:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I took out part of the quote Elsanaturk added which isnt about Akhundzade.Hajji Piruz 19:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

but in order to understand fully that quote from Grigor Suny, we must also mention, that Turkish nationalism, heavily influenced by thinkers who lived and were educated in the Russian Empire. That is Akhundzade lived in Russian Empire, so to delete the beginning of quote, is to distort it, many people influenced turkish nationalism, but Ronald Grigor Suny explains why he emphasizes Akhundzade and Gasprinski. I restored the full quote. I think it means differently if the quote is full. Ateshi - Baghavan 19:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, it also goes on to say:

"Unlike Ottomanism, Turkish nationalism provided no place for the non-Turkic natoinalities except one of subordination."

My question to you is, what does any of this have to do with Akhundzade? Suny is talking about Turkey, not even Russia! LOL Elsanaturk, be reasonable. I dont really mind except for the fact that it has nothing to do with Akhundzade, but is rather talking about nationalism in Turkey.Hajji Piruz 19:56, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Hajji Piruz, why you are so aggressive? what Suny simple says, is that Turkish nationalism was influenced by thinkers who lived in Russian empire. and then he brings Akhundazade and Gasprinski. so, what can we do if Suny didn't said that his thought in one sentence but divided it into two consequitive sentences? You are not assuming good faith. why i insertted that quote, to show that Suny's idea is that thinkers in Russian empire, also Akhundzade, influenced Turkish nationalism. so when you shorten it it becomes distorted. You are again the same User:Azerbaijani. Ateshi - Baghavan 20:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Unlike Ottomanism, Turkish nationalism provided no place for the non-Turkic natoinalities except one of subordination. How is this related to Akhundov? Grandmaster 04:51, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Elsanaturk insists on having it in there. Look at the above discussion. If he wants to mention Turkish nationalism, then I simply said lets quote the whole thing. Elsanaturk does make a point though, it does reflect the influence of Russian based scholars on Turkish nationalism, and the sentence you mentioned describes that nationalism. So I think its ok to keep the quote.Hajji Piruz 04:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

The quote should be relevant to the article. I don’t see how the part about Turkish nationalism has anything to do with Akhundov. Grandmaster 05:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I, also like you, diasgreed with Elsanaturk at first, but he made a good point about its relevance to Akhundzade, it dosent really hurt the article that much, if at all, anyway.Hajji Piruz 05:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wealthy family?

what i know, his father was not so wealthy, but was a merchant from Khoy, who could hardly be a middle class-man. Ateshi - Baghavan 19:42, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] May 28, 2008

I just removed a phrase saying "Armenian writers Khachatur Abovian, Gabriel Sundukyan and others played a large part in formation of Akhundov's europeanized outlook." This fact doesn't seem to be true. Akhundov's first work The Oriental Poem published in (1837) while Khachatur Abovian seems published his first work Predtropye in (1838). I think the prase, "Akhundov played role in Khachatur Abovian 's europeanized outlook", is more believable. --Gulmammad- 16:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)