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[edit] Syndrome

Um, Gionvanni's Mirror Syndrome does exist -- it's just nothing at all like what was described in the show. Th 2005 15:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

A link would be helpful. House fan sites have been able to find nothing on it. 128.227.82.173 19:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

This? It may not be Gionvanni's mirror syndrome, but it's a mirror syndrome. Th 2005 11:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Yea, thats maternal mirror syndrome which has already been mentioned in the 17th episode of House ("Fetal Position"). 128.227.82.216 17:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I can't find any confirmation that this syndrome is real. Practically every link if you google "Giovannini's mirror syndrome" is to a synopsis of this episode. I kind of wish there was a way to get in contact with the writers and see if they could shed some light, but oh well. :P Maybe searching for a range of symptoms might turn something up.. Th 2005 09:21, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

There is an extremely rare condition called Giovannini's disease, but other than the odd reference now and then, I can't turn up any symptoms for it. I'll keep searching. The author of the "Polite Dissent" blog who gives medical reviews of House (he's a GP) said that he's never heard of it either.70.161.28.242 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Giovannini's Disease is a rare form of nodular disorder of the hair and skin caused by Aralia fungus. The International Encyclopedia of Modern Medicine doesn't mention anything about amnesia or mirroring symptoms. If this is the Giovannini's they're talking about, it's not being represented right.Cuindless 15:59, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Coma and Impaired Consciousness: A Clinical Perspective mentions a "mirror syndrome" in progressive Alzheimer's where patients begin emulating or aping the activity of those around them to maintain a sense of normalcy, but no mention of "Giovannini" or "Giovannini's" is made.Cuindless 16:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

So should we mention this in the article itself? I'm not sure how to phrase it though; it MAY exist, it just seems there's no information at all about it that anyone can find. So I'm hesitant to state that it "doesn't exist" when all we're going by is the fact that no one can seem to find information on it. Anyone have any ideas?Lord Seth 20:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

They made up a disease?! That's it, if this show has not already jumped the shark before, then it has now.--Mullon 05:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this Giovannini’s actually refers to a case study in Neurocase Feb 2007. A man had frontal-temporal damage as a result of cerebral hypoxia caused by a cardiac arrest. The brain damage caused anterograde amnesia and a strange form of environmental dependency syndrome. One of the authors is called Giovannina Conchiglia. I’m copying links to sites I found stuff about this. A more adroit wikipedian than I will have to add them since I'm still not too capable with this stuff.

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content?content=10.1080/13554790601160558 http://bps-research-digest.blogspot.com/2007/03/brain-damage-turns-man-into-human.htmlCuindless 16:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I added the name of the discoverer and a general description of the condition, though it isn't named "Giovannini's Mirror Syndrome". It should further be noted that the condition is never called "Giovannini's Mirror Syndrome" in the episode. At one point, House says, "He has mirror syndrome." To which Foreman replies, "Giovannini's?" It is never expressly stated that it's named that. Cuindless 21:56, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Last edit, I swear. It appears that this disease is a rare and recently discovered form of Anterograde amnesia suffered by some cardiac arrest patients. I have made minor edits to inform. Cuindless 22:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

  • It's blatantly fictional as it's presented, so however you want to phrase that, it still holds. The "disease" would require telepathy to be real in the manner they present it. I mean, come on. Some sort of disclaimer is a must.JJJ999 (talk) 09:51, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


Frankly, I believe that WebMD + Google does NOT equal having a degree in medicine. I've edited out the sentence about the mirror syndrome "obviously" be fictional. 141.150.81.178 (talk) 01:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I would be happy for you to edit out the word "obviously", but it's fictional as it is portrayed, and alot of you have shown no interest in addressing this. A typical scene from this episode shows numerous characters coming into contact with the patient, and subsequently the patient, without necessarily needing any dialogue with them whatever producing their deepest feelings and characters traits. Effectively, telepathy. You reference this fact somehow, or I'm getting someone to lock this page, because it's clearly worthy of comment, especially to people who come here thinking the disease is real.JJJ999 (talk) 04:26, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm going to edit the statement a little because the disease isn't fictional. It is a sensationalized representation of a real disease a fiction show.Cuindless (talk) 09:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
  • You're supposed to build consensus before you edit. I have charitably left much of what you wrote, but it is insufficient to simply call it "sensationalised". Firstly, because Giovini's is a highly debatable disease at present, for which much disagreement appears to exist (including at the whether it is even real). Secondly, because the portrayal of the disease in the program is so far from what the (already dubious) disease claims to do, that to simply call it "sensationalised" is just not enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.218.27 (talk) 09:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the advice about building consensus, I'm still fairly new at this. I think the tone of how you rewrote it, though, shows obvious POV, bias and has unencyclopedic wording. Encyclopedias don't use words like "at worst". I think it would be better to say that Giovannini's Anterograde Amnesia (it isn't actually called mirror syndrome) is "misrepresented" in the episode by assigning sensational abilities to a sufferer. The "Cultural References" section, so far as I understand, isn't there to educate people on the facts of the disease, it is instead supposed to relate pertinent facts about the show. I"m not going to change what you wrote because I don't want to edit without building consensus first... though it appears some others don't mind doing that as well. Also, saying that you're being "charitable" when it was me who found the references to Giovannini's in the first place is highly rude. At any rate, I think it would be better to phrase it like this: "Giovannini's Anterograde Amensia (referred to as "Giovannini's Mirror") is misrepresented in the episode as conferring special insight into the thinking and motivations of complete strangers within mere moments. In reality, Giovannini's is highly theoretical and only seems to cause sufferers to imitate others mannerisms and occupations." PS> Sign your comments.Cuindless (talk) 14:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
    • I am awaiting a response to this before I edit. If my new wording is acceptable to everyone, then I will edit appropriately.Cuindless (talk) 23:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notes

What's the notes section? Is someone trying to sneak in a trivia section, without calling it trivia? Sneaky. Llamabr 16:47, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I would guess so. I don't believe it is correct either so I removed it. --Jerm (Talk/ Contrib) 23:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Mention the incident with House and Cuddy

I think it would be worthy enough to mention the reaction of House when Cuddy replaces his Vidcodin with Laxatives. House says "I know when my Vicodin isnt Vicodin, do you know when your brith control pills arent birth control pills". I think thats an honourable mention. Another famous quote from House and eligible for somebody who hasnt seen the episode to know and read. Thought someone should mention it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.183.10.241 (talk) 08:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I was the one who wrote the synopsis, and I didn't think that threat was worth including, since House didn't actually go through with it. But if you want it, then I'll add it. And House's comment about how Cuddy will end up pregnant if things keep going. Although that seemed like a strange threat to me, since previous episodes have shown that Cuddy is trying to get pregnant. - Shaheenjim 19:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music at the end

Anyone knows who's playing the last minute? -85.176.244.120 (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Same song as in the opening credits of Napoleon Dynamite: "We're Going to Be Friends". Cburnett (talk) 04:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)