Talk:Mirpuri

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Mirpuris are from pakistan. Government wanted to make a damn so paid mirpuris money to move. most used this money to come england instead of going to an urban area in pakistan. Hence when they came to england they lived like villagers and hence all the problems in UK with pakistanis, such as uneduation, forced marriages etc and failure to integrate in the community as compared to other more educated pakistani families.

[edit] In response to the previous mumble jumble hypothesis

"Dear fellow readers / writers,

I feel the need to justify my well valued action on behalf of some of the Pahari community, of whom feel deeply offended by previous statements. The reason as to why I have edited the page, is that as for those of you whom do not seem to care much about "Pahari bashing", many people are chastisised and labeled "mirpuri", when they have carried no such label to their heritage seen as far as they can remember. Thus many see this as a derogotary term that outsiders use for them, should you choose to confirm this, do take the time out to do primary research and see on the internet or face to face conversation with Pahari people from the Pahari block of Azad Kashmir, how they are discriminated against by other groups and labelled a term that for many of them is alien, and some will tell you how much they hate the term. These people are Pahari speaking, now let us cease to have this "Mirpuri" nonsense and do justice to humanity, by seeing them for the people they are and realising how they feel and what they want. I shall urge you therefore to if you see fit add anything else to the page, but please do acknowledge that some do see this as derogotary"

The above being my last comments before being removed without a reason being given. Discussion is about both sides of the argument, I am disgusted at the fact that an individual in this discussion board may feel that he/she has the right to delete posts and alienate fellow viewers/readers from being exposed to different strands of arguments on the subject/s being discussed - this is an action which I find unacceptable.

Furthermore, it would only be fair to inform the individual who posted the last strand that it is true that the people of Mirpur are from Azad Kashmir, and many choose to identify themselves with Pakistan, however some organisations/groups such as the UN do not hold the same belief and it would be unfair to not take this into account when discussing the semantics of the label " Mirpuri".

Secondly, it is valid to argue that the creation of the Mangla Dam extracted from many people from Mirpur their lands, histories, art and established lifestyles, however it would be incorrect to argue that this was the case for all the people originating from or whom trace their ancestry to Mirpur, for many sold their land ( to other buyers as opposed to selling to the government) in order to pave a passage to the UK and secondly the development of the Mangla Dam did not affect all the people who reside in Mirpur today - for the boundaries have since changed.

Also may I point out that those whom were paid compensation received from the government monies for which the government purchased the lands of the citizens of Mirpur- this was after all their ancestral homeland and thus this was their due ( though it may have been a lot less than adequate) Do forgive my approach but I fail to see the light in what you are trying to argue? Either argument that you may choose to adopt both can lead to the conclusion that the people of Mirpur of whom some migrated to the UK paved their passage with their own money- regardless of how they earned this money, it was their due- they have the spending power as a consumer to spend as and how they may wish whether they choose to reside in an "urban" or rural area is not a matter for us to ponder upon.

This by no means allows us to make any type of generalisations about what wholly triggered the migration of the people of Mirpur. Nevertheless, some may have obtained their money through compensation but this is their personal matter and furthermore there were people from Mirpur who migrated to England much before the creation of the Mangla Dam. May I reiterate that I do not have an issue with the fact that these are your views but rather with the fact that you tried to remove the views of others - which does not allow a firm ground for argument and discussion.

What continues, is a quote from your last post. "Hence when they came to england they lived like villagers and hence all the problems in UK with pakistanis, such as uneduation, forced marriages etc and failure to integrate in the community as compared to other more educated pakistani families."

The above quote to me seems like a mere generalisation for one, I for one do not understand what you are trying to point out by saying that the people of Mirpur lived like "villagers" in England and thus could not integrate. Do you propose to argue that those native English citizens whom live in villages are not integrated?

Is village life a sign of total alienation? Britain does have its villages and villagers of whom many are well integrated as we all know; the popular British soap "Emmerdale" is set in a village setting and is viewed by many English people - so how well does this fit into your hypothesis about village life?

Secondly, the above quote suggests that you are arguing that the problems of forced marriages and lack of education ( I feel that is what you may mean by your spelling of "uneduation") are problems associated with village life? If you would care to do a little reading you will see that there are villages in England where education thrives and to say the least there has been no recent report of forced marriage as far as I am aware, if there is then please do direct me to the source.

Thus I feel that it would be valid to argue that your argument has no firm basis. Furthermore it would be valid to argue that your post is a perfect example of mere generalisations.

Should you feel that I have misinterpreted any of your views do feel free to respond and provide any critical evaluation/ constructive criticisms, as this is exactly what discussion is about and I would very much appreciate to see this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.114.194.158 (talk) 20:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)