Talk:Miroslav Filipović

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: As stated earlier, and as cited in the link below, Filipovic was expelled from the Franciscans in 1942. "Filopovic, sometimes known as Miroslov, was vicar of Petricevac parish. During 1941, after repeated warnings to keep out of Ustasha politics in Banja Luka, his Provincial transferred him to Rama. In February 1942 the Banja Luka coal mines were destroyed and an Ustasha unit was ordered to undertake a punitive expedition against the nearby Serbian villages of Drakulici, Motike and Sargovac. These villages were situated in Filopovic's former parish. Without permission, he returned to Banja Luka, became chaplain to the unit, and went with it to attack the villages ((RP 364-5)). At a trial held by his Franciscan superiors, he claimed he went in order to identify the few Catholics in the villages so they would not be harmed. The Catholics, being Croats, would not have been involved in the destruction of the Mines. His superiors refused to accept his defence and expelled him from the Order in May 1942. Soon afterwards he left the priesthood and the Church ((SAA 28)). Stories of him as an ex-Catholic being at Mass daily till 1945 are without foundation." http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-3.htm The citations used in the above quote may be found on http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-4.htm (edit)

[edit] Laicization

In a 2002 review in First Things, Ronald J. Rychlak claims that Filiopvic was removed from his positions of Catholic priest, contrary to the assertions of Daniel Goldhagen, who published an essay in The New Republic. His review states that "He [Goldhagen] charges that Pius XII never reproached or punished Franciscan friar Miroslav Filopovic–Majstorovic for his evil actions in Croatia, when, actually, the so–called "Brother Satan" was tried, laicized, and expelled from the Franciscan order before the war even ended (in fact, before most of his serious wrongdoing)." [[1]] The Previous unsigned comment was posted by Freder1ck 01:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Freder1ck

[edit] Semi-protection

Now that the article has been protected, I'd like to discuss the recent attempts to change the article. There have been attempts to minimize or outright deny historically accepted facts about Filipović in complete disregard for our policy of writing from a neutral point of view. If there are some valid arguments for the changes being made, you can make them here and back them up with reliable sources. AniMate 21:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additional Information and linking

I searched Wikipedia for Miroslav Filipovic and because it did not have the accent over the 'c' nothing came up. Is it possible to create a Miroslave Filipovic page which then redirects to this page? I'm afraid I would create it but I don't know how. Also I think that it should be mentioned that a favoured torture tactic of the Filipovic's was to tie 'captured Serbs to haystacks and [burn] them alive, all the while asking them if they believed in God'. The quote is from a article by Robert Fisk on the 19th June 1994 in the Independent called "Following the devil's tracks". I wanted to first see if anyone objected to my placing it in the article under his second world war activity area? --Cook006 (talk) 09:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The letter "ć" in the Croatian/Serbian language is pronounced "ch" and is very different from "c" which is pronounced "cz" (never "k" as in "cake", like in English and many other languages). The thing is that Croats are Slavs which use the Latin alphabet, not the Cyrillic alphabet like Russians, so the names are not correctly spelled as they are pronounced, again like in Russian (for example: Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky), but are instead properly spelled with the diacritics ("ć", or "č"). "Miroslav Filipovic" would be pronounced in English "Miroslav(e) Filipovick" instead of "Miroslav Filipovich", which is completely wrong. Having explained the situation, I think a redirect page would not be a problem, but would be using an incorrect spelling for the title. --DIREKTOR ^(TALK) 11:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)