Talk:Ministry (band)
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[edit] Terry Roberts on guitar or drums?
Currently in the article on the 1990 tour it says "Terry Roberts" was on guitar. Though I once read that the drummer from the legendary punk band Discharge played drums on an early Ministry tour, "Terry Roberts" being the name of the original Discharge drummer and innovator of the D-beat drum sound. Could this be a mistake putting him on guitar or did I read wrong elsewhere? Nagelfar 09:35, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
- Bill Rieflin and Martin Atkins were the drummers for the 1990 tour, so I suspect that Terry Roberts being listed as on guitar is indeed correct. --Hn 00:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
==Psalm 69 and Illuminatus!]] The Psalm 69 Album's actual text is based upon the codes at the back of book 3 of the Illuminatus! trilogy. (KΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ)
From memory I think it translates as 23 Skidoo, another Illuminati concept. --Dem 03:41, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
(KΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ) translates into "Head" --Azderak are you sure, i thought each symbol directly translated into a letter. Dem 04:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
KΕΦΑΛΗΞΘ most definitely combines the Greek word for "head" with the Greek letters xi and theta, representing the number 69. The Greeks used their letters to represent numerals, as did the Hebrews. I don't know anything about the occult meaning, but I don't think that matters, because I can read Ancient Greek. I'm changing it. BrianGCrawfordMA 21:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Stigmata" and Hardware
If anyone wishes to add this tidbit of info to the article (I'm not a great writer), Ministry's 'Stigmata' was featured in the 1990 "industrial" robot-horror movie 'Hardware' http://imdb.com/title/tt0099740/
[edit] The Fairlight Notation
Does anyone see any reason for it being included, except out of vanity? If not, I'll remove it on Sunday. Rsm99833 14:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] War Metal Genre Add
I've tried a few times to edit this, sorry about not reading my messages for a bit. Ministry fits well under the Genre of "Industrial Metal" (heavy metal, synth, distorted vocals, ect.) but I believe they should also be put under "War metal". Depending on what album you listen to, and after seeing them live, they also have very strong influences to this genre- Including many references to war, nuclear warfeare, politics, and some anti-christian lyrics. Ministry was introduced to me as "war metal", and after seeing them in portland, I was forced to agree. Redwasp 10:18, 2 June 2006
- First of all "War metal", by it highly disputed definition, is one that is pro-war. I can assure you both with my interaction with the band, and various members, they are anything but. Also, while the dispute is happening on the war metal page in question, I would seriously consider holding off on placing Ministry as an example. I also get the feeling that if you were to ask people there, most would not include them into that catagory. Have a great weekend! Rsm99833 05:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- A reference for Ministry being war metal would be nice at the least. GeorgeBills 07:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
"War Metal" is the most absurd label I've heard thrown at a band. I think there are more than enough genres and sub-genres as it is. And, as Rsm99833 says, I don't think they're pro-war by any stretch of the imagination. War metal is a subdivision of Viking Metal or something. These dudes are industrial; bands don't get labelled into a genre by their ideologies, but by their sounds. Ministry do not sound like Marduk.
[edit] Discog - All Day Everyday
Every net discography I've come across has listed the WAX007 single as "All Day", with the title track as the A-side and "Everyday (is Halloween)" on the B-side. There also exists, however, a WAX007 with the material on either side flipped, and a cover bearing the "Everyday" title. Anybody have information about this? Were both versions released simultaneously, or was "All Day" the original single and later revised, due to the popularity of its B-side? Renfield 17:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Filth Pig Description
The following passage contains a weasel word and should either be clarified, sourced or removed.
Filth Pig was supported with the singles/videos Reload, The Fall, Lay Lady Lay (an unusual and unexpected cover of Bob Dylan's old country-tinged hit) and Brick Windows and with a tour in 1996 (the live performances were later anthologized on the Sphinctour album and DVD in 2002), but was unenthusiastically received and was thought by some to be a lazy effort.
67.9.182.62 22:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Halloween" gold certification
In addition to the albums, the single "(Everyday is) Halloween" was also certified gold by the RIAA, I believe in 1989 or so. It was in an article in Billboard magazine, though I am having difficulty finding a citation. The article stated it was the first gold single for Wax Trax! Records. I'm certain of teading the article, but the present RIAA database does not mention it, possibly because Wax Trax! is not a present RIAA member. Any assistance or feedback in this matter would be appreciated.
Porphyrous 05:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Regarding The Land of Rape and Honey's use of guitar
So is written in the article:
"After Twitch, Jourgensen made the most significant change in Ministry's history when he became re-enchanted with the instrument he had taken up years earlier: the electric guitar. This new sound in Ministry's music was almost certainly influenced by Killing Joke and Chicago's Big Black (...)".
A) Though Ministry's music owes big time to such Post-punk luminaries as Killing Joke and Public Image Ltd., I think Ministry's Industrial metal owes much more to Hardcore punk, Thrash metal and Noise rock.
B) Al Jourgensen claimed he wasn't aware of Big Black until after the release of The Land of Rape and Honey (or later). Matters further complicated when he had a much publicized fall-out with Steve Albini. That makes highly unlikely for any praise to come from the Ministry camp regarding Big Black. Bottom line: I suggest removing Big Black as an influence...
C) The electric guitar and Industrial music weren't exactly strangers to each other. From Cabaret Voltaire's "Nag Nag Nag" (1979) to Skinny Puppy's "Dig It" (1986), Industrial artists sometimes experimented with guitar sounds.
D) The band that probably influenced most on Ministry's Industrial/Metal direction was The Young Gods. Remember that their seminal 1986 single, "Envoyé", was released on the US by Wax Trax! Records. When the The Young Gods finally came to America, Al Jourgensen greeted them as being "the best band in the world" and delivered high praises to their "Envoyé" single, especifically the song's weird guitar riff.
I hope that helps.
201.50.70.228 12:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC) Felipe de Sá
[edit] Last Sucker as last album
Can someone provide a citation for this? I'll tag it as unreferenced for the time being. AxiomShell 11:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Found reference. AxiomShell 12:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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