Talk:Minister (Christianity)
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[edit] Move
Can we move this article from Religious minister to Minister of religion? The latter is usual, the former sounds awful! --Doric Loon 21:46, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
- I agree that Minister of religion is probably better. The google test (as far as it's any indication) shows 109,000 hits for "minister of religion" and 17,200 for "religious minister" — of which the first bunch are wikipedia and it's mirrors. Let's give it a few days to see if no objections, then move it. ntennis 03:48, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
OK, as nobody else has voiced an opinion, let's go for it. --Doric Loon 17:21, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Domine
Actually, Dave Souza's latest edit raises a question which had been worrying me. The article said the word Domine (and related forms) were only used for clergy. Dave adds that they were also used for schoolmasters. To be honest, I wonder if it is not in fact the case that these words were only used for schoolmasters - I have no recollection of ever hearing a minister called a domine. Does anyone have references? --Doric Loon 09:05, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Moved again
Why was this article moved to "Minister (Christianity)" without consultation on the talk page? "Minister of religion" is a set phrase, and seems to me the better heading. Moving an article is a major disruption and should always be preceded by consultation - see above how this was done last time! --Doric Loon 10:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
- Definitely a bad move, and not just because of interfaith ministers. Deltabeignet 04:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
OK, I've reversed that, since no-one else has commented. --Doric Loon 17:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ministers/Ministries/Clerics
This article and those on Religious ministry (Christian) and on clergy are rather a mess. The clergy article isn't too bad, but it is closely linked to this article; and this article seems to be partly a discussion of offices and partly a discussion of clerical titles/forms of address. Ministers are, depending on where you are:
- The name for the clerics of the church (e.g. in Presbyterian churches)
- The rector/vicar of a parish (so used in the 1979 BCP)
- A synonym for Christian clerics in general
- Part of the title of people with official ministries (e.g. youth ministers)
- Anyone exercising a role in any kind of ministry (e.g. references to "ministers" in liturgies to signify all those with assigned roles, whether lay or cleric)
It seems to me that the titles need to go somewhere else, and that the ministerial offices/roles need to be categorized better, and that the various usages need to be spelled out more clearly. Mangoe 15:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Moved again, again
Since I haven't worked on this page for quite a while now, I probably shouldn't stick my oar in, but apart from the lack of courtesy in moving an article without consultation, I do think this is a backward step. The edit summary suggests that narrowing the reference to Christianity is more precise since the term minister is also used by some Muslims. I would have gone the opposite direction. It would make this article so much more interesting if it also had a section talking about Muslims. --Doric Loon 10:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
True, but it's easier to retitle the topic than add a section (I'm not throwing stones, just the truth), and as it's a long article solely about Christian ministers, the opening section (and possibly others) would need tweaking to incorporate ministers of other faiths so it wasn't shoehorned in and feel out of place. Revelian 11:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ordained Minister
By the way, any opinions on redirecting Ordained Minister here? It's a stub with all its content mentioned in the roles section here and a bit in the beginning of the ordination article. Revelian 11:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Done. Since no comments came for about a month, I thought it was quite all right. Nyttend 02:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Reverting questionable statement
"a minister is someone--a man or a woman who is called of God (YHWH)--"
(1) As far as I can tell based on Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Religions.2C_deities.2C_philosophies.2C_doctrines_and_their_adherents and Names_of_God, normal Wikipedia style would recommend against including the name "YHWH" here.
(2) Wikipedia:Neutral point of view says that NPOV is absolute and non-negotiable. Saying that a minister is called by God represents the point of view of adherents of that minister's religion. Wikipedia is used by people of many different faiths as well as by atheists, who would not agree that it is factual that said minister iscalled by God. The previous version that I'm reverting to ("a minister is someone who is authorized by a church or religious organization") is NPOV and unquestionable.
Please discuss if desired. -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:28, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Possible copyvio
We quoted NIV-The Quest Study Bible, copyright 1994, p 1628 in this article. I suspect that that's a copyvio (WP:COPYVIO), though I really don't know. If it is, or just to be safe, we have material at Wikisource that we can use - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible . -- Writtenonsand (talk) 13:48, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry to start stalking you around, I tend to look at people's contributions list. :-)
- I'm sure a tiny quote from the NIV is fair use; indeed, there's no reason to specify which printed edition it comes from, and the copyright note could be safely removed.
