Talk:Minimal techno
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[edit] Bollocks
I am removing the stuff about "skeletalism" and "massification" for a second time. Both these terms appear to be neologisms coined by someone called Philip Sherbourne in an essay in an obscure book published in 2006. A google search for these terms produces less than 10 results, ALL OF WHICH are discussions of THIS wikipedia article. Hardly anyone interested in or involved in Minimal Techno - producers, djs or punters - has heard of "skeletalism" or "massification".
This is my justification for taking this stuff out.
I think that's pretty reasonable.
I'm guessing that Philip Sherbourne is using wikipedia to promote his third-rate Simon Reynolds wannabe undergrad bollocks and will restore the original crap in a day or two, in which case I give up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.37.220 (talk) 21:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
- I do sympathize with your complaint but the material will be reinstated. Sherbourne does not appear to be a qualified musicologist but he has built a reputation for himself as a music journalist, so like it or not, people seem to believe he is some kind of authority on the matter. The article you mention does appear to be made up of original research, therefore subject to POV issues but the terminology is sound and can be found used in other contexts. However, I have my doubts regarding the validity of his observations, for example, he says: it's hard to say why, precisely Techno grew minimalist in the early 90's which seems odd when you have people like Hood, Bell, and Hawtin, stating why this happened. Unless you can come up with verifiable information to counter Sherbournes' claims we are stuck with it. Semitransgenic (talk) 22:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Jesus Christ. "I do sympathize with your complaint but the material will be reinstated." Nice use of the third person there mate; the material "will be reinstated" by YOU. Stop reinstating this stuff and we can all go home. 'People' do not believe he is any kind of authority on the matter. NOBODY HAS HEARD OF THIS GUY. I repeat; the only references to "skeletalism" and "massification" that google can find reference THIS article. There is no criterion upon which to judge the 'soundness' of his 'terminology'. He/you just made this stuff up and typed it into wikipedia. I don't have to come up with "verifiable information to counter Sherbournes' claims" because they are not factual claims. 'We' are not 'stuck with it'. The only reason anyone has even heard of this stuff is that YOU keep promoting it here.
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- You have not heard of this guy? well I regret to have to inform you that you are not everybody. Please view WP:3RR Semitransgenic (talk) 10:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Ye be Warned, The next person to make a personal attack will be banned, I suggest you edit your posts to remove the PAs immediatly!!!! Prom3th3an (talk) 10:56, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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Sorry for losing my cool. I repeat, HARDLY ANYONE HAS HEARD OF THIS GUY and his dubious theory about "Skeletalism and Massification" as a quick google search can easily establish and yet most of the article appears to be this guy's opinions. I give up.
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- you are free to edit the article to deemphasize the authoritativeness of this material. Simply frame it as a proposition by this one commentator, it is a theory, it is not gospel, but it is notable, so should be mentioned. I already made a start at this by presenting contrasting material from Sicko relating to Hawtin et al. There are WP:NPOV issues that need to be considered in a case like this. Semitransgenic (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Minimalism
Shouldn't this article be linked to minimalism? Some of the minimal sound has been derived from these earlier composers dj chainz 15:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
It's linked to minimalist music, isn't this good enough? Rootless 13:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
WTF is Ketamine house???? That's not a subgenre, It's a drug! that's just bs. Can I delete it? Nutz000
This is Wikipedia. Rootless 04:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The article is incorrect. Artists like Hawtin, Maurizio and Robert Hood have been creating this style of music since the early 1990's. and achieved great success at that time.
Well, find some sources and edit this, then! THE evil fluffyface 06:49, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Robert Hood
It states According to Daniel Chamberlin, "Minimal techno was patented in the Nineties by Basic Channel"
However, Mad Mike Banks holds Robert Hood responsible Mike Banks interview
I think Banks is the authority on this matter considering the Basic Channel stuff was pressed in Detroit and shipped from Submerge.
Also Chamberlin is making assumptions which are without foundation regarding the connections with Young, Reich, and Riley, and is forgetting that Reich et al ripped off African music to create a template for the minimalism they concocted - and Young was heavily influenced by drone concepts taken from Indian music. It is feasible that minimalism in techno was arrived at independently and that these connections are being made in retrospectively. Admittedly the Orb did sample Reich for Little Fluffy Clouds and there was that Reich remix project but I don't see how tis relates to the origins of minimal techno when there is an abundance of ethnic music that could have inspired the sound Semitransgenic (talk) 00:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
